Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft

From	"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	sci.military.naval, sci.physics
Subject	Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft
Date	2018-04-25 15:29 -0700
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On 4/25/2018 11:05 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> wrote on Wed, 25 Apr 2018 10:21:50 -0500:
> 
>> On 4/24/2018 4:42 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2018 1:50 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>    On 4/23/2018 11:17 PM, Juergen Nieveler wrote:
>>>>> On 24.04.2018 07:17, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>> Will taking off in an F16 soon be equal to taking off in an F22 wrt
>>>>>> the fact that they can both be seen!?
>>>>>
>>>>> I doubt it will happen "soon"... but it's a stern reminder that
>>>>> stealth technology is just a bet against the ingeniousness of physics
>>>>> grad students in the next 5 decades...
>>>>
>>>> That has to be interesting to any pilot. They might find themselves up
>>>> against a shi% load of active SAM sites. Ahh, well, the SAMS that are
>>>> left after the initial barrages of HARM's and JSOW's are fired off by
>>>> coalition aircraft.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-154_Joint_Standoff_Weapon
>>>>
>>>> The HARMS should target the SAMS, and the JSOW's should make the SAMS
>>>> fire off at projected phantom targets.
>>>
>>> Love it:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-154_Joint_Standoff_Weapon#/media/File:AGM-154_03.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> ;^)
>>>
> 
> I'll just note that HARMs can't target SAMs.  They can only target the
> radars.  

Argh! Sorry about that. You are correct. Well, if a SAM's radars are 
severely damaged and/or outright destroyed, well, it is kind of rendered 
into a highly degraded and somewhat worthless state, in a sense?


> Hence the use of JSOW on the missile emplacements.

Iirc, JSOW can project phantom radar signatures of coalition aircraft 
and cause the SAM to fire at them. Then, finally, the JSOW can choose 
where to perform its "final mission", to destroy a target.


>>>> JSOW saturation can deplete a SAM of missiles and might force it to be
>>>> reloaded. HARM saturation should destroy its radar systems.

Ahh. I knew I wrote about HARM's destroying radars. Sorry for any 
confusion, and thanks for your correction on my previous statement.


>>>> However, perhaps "in the future", the damn enemy has an experimental
>>>> weapon that is "theoretically" immune to HARM and JSOW, and can easily
>>>> see and target F-22's. It can also tell the difference between F-16,
>>>> F-15, F-22 and F-35 in real time and act accordingly... Oh SHI%! The
>>>> coalition must be trying to prevent the enemy from engaging within
>>>> this line of experimentation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> At least the F-22 is also a superb plane on top of being stealthy, so
>>>>> it could still fight on even terms with other fighters with the
>>>>> stealth advantage removed.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. At least it has that handy Vulcan Cannon for a knife fight.
>>
>> yep => short range, inaccurate
>>
> 
> USAF F-35 also carries a built-in cannon.  It just doesn't carry very
> many rounds for it.
> 
>>>>
>>>> Imvvho, the pilots of an F-22 should not totally rely on hyper
>>>> advanced missile attack scenarios. I know they can fire on targets
>>>> from a long range via Phoenix, or medium range using AMRAAM. However,
>>>> even the newest versions of those missiles can fail to hit their
>>>> targets...
>>>>
>>
>> aircraft have very good countermeasures, IR, microwave, decoys, flares
>>
> 
> Phoenix is dead.  The last airplane that could fire it was the F-14
> Tomcat.  USAF never owned any even when it was around, so it certainly
> was never a provision for F-22.

Does the F-22 carry long range missiles, or just medium range?


>>>>> The F-35 is a different topic...
>>>>
>>>> Afaict, F-22's most likely can eat up F-35's for breakfast, lunch and
>>>> possibly dinner? Can the F-35 carry the newest Sidewinders? Does it
>>>> require an external pylon? If so, there goes stealth. Damn.
>>>>
>>
>> sidewinders need external pylon as they have to lock onto target before
>> launch
>>
> 
> Not on an F-22 they don't.  On an F-22 they launch from internal bays.

You are right. Thanks again Fred. :^)

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Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft George <george.core@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-23 13:38 +0000
  Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> - 2018-04-23 15:45 +0000
  Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-23 22:17 -0700
    Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Juergen Nieveler <juergen@nieveler.org> - 2018-04-24 08:17 +0200
      Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-24 13:50 -0700
        Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-24 14:42 -0700
          Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-04-25 10:21 -0500
            Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 11:05 -0700
              Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-04-25 14:06 -0500
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 13:34 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft jonathan <WriteInstead@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 19:02 -0400
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 22:55 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2018-04-27 18:56 +0100
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2018-04-27 18:37 +0100
              Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-25 15:29 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 21:29 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-04-26 00:42 -0500
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-26 22:25 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 02:58 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-01 13:52 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-01 17:26 -0500
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 17:57 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-01 19:43 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 07:33 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Juergen Nieveler <juergen@nieveler.org> - 2018-04-27 09:17 +0200
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 03:03 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Airyx <eweinkam@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 05:22 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Peter Stickney <p_stickney@verizon.net> - 2018-04-27 16:46 -0400
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Juergen Nieveler <juergen@nieveler.org> - 2018-04-27 14:27 +0200
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Airyx <eweinkam@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 06:47 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-04-27 11:27 -0500
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Peter Stickney <p_stickney@verizon.net> - 2018-04-27 16:50 -0400
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        Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-24 14:52 -0700
      Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "dott.Piergiorgio" <chiedetemelo@ask.me> - 2018-04-29 10:16 +0200
  Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2018-04-24 11:56 +0200
  Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-23 21:50 -0700
    Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-03 23:05 -0700
      Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2018-07-04 11:55 +0200

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