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Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft

From Sergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Newsgroups sci.military.naval, sci.physics
Subject Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft
Date 2018-04-25 10:21 -0500
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On 4/24/2018 4:42 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 4/24/2018 1:50 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>   On 4/23/2018 11:17 PM, Juergen Nieveler wrote:
>>> On 24.04.2018 07:17, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> Will taking off in an F16 soon be equal to taking off in an F22 wrt
>>>> the fact that they can both be seen!?
>>>
>>> I doubt it will happen "soon"... but it's a stern reminder that
>>> stealth technology is just a bet against the ingeniousness of physics
>>> grad students in the next 5 decades...
>>
>> That has to be interesting to any pilot. They might find themselves up
>> against a shi% load of active SAM sites. Ahh, well, the SAMS that are
>> left after the initial barrages of HARM's and JSOW's are fired off by
>> coalition aircraft.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-154_Joint_Standoff_Weapon
>>
>> The HARMS should target the SAMS, and the JSOW's should make the SAMS
>> fire off at projected phantom targets.
> 
> Love it:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-154_Joint_Standoff_Weapon#/media/File:AGM-154_03.jpg
> 
> 
> ;^)
> 
>>
>> JSOW saturation can deplete a SAM of missiles and might force it to be
>> reloaded. HARM saturation should destroy its radar systems.
>>
>> However, perhaps "in the future", the damn enemy has an experimental
>> weapon that is "theoretically" immune to HARM and JSOW, and can easily
>> see and target F-22's. It can also tell the difference between F-16,
>> F-15, F-22 and F-35 in real time and act accordingly... Oh SHI%! The
>> coalition must be trying to prevent the enemy from engaging within
>> this line of experimentation.
>>
>>
>>> At least the F-22 is also a superb plane on top of being stealthy, so
>>> it could still fight on even terms with other fighters with the
>>> stealth advantage removed. 
>>
>> Agreed. At least it has that handy Vulcan Cannon for a knife fight.

yep => short range, inaccurate

>>
>> Imvvho, the pilots of an F-22 should not totally rely on hyper
>> advanced missile attack scenarios. I know they can fire on targets
>> from a long range via Phoenix, or medium range using AMRAAM. However,
>> even the newest versions of those missiles can fail to hit their
>> targets...
>>

aircraft have very good countermeasures, IR, microwave, decoys, flares

>>
>>> The F-35 is a different topic...
>>
>> Afaict, F-22's most likely can eat up F-35's for breakfast, lunch and
>> possibly dinner? Can the F-35 carry the newest Sidewinders? Does it
>> require an external pylon? If so, there goes stealth. Damn.
>>

sidewinders need external pylon as they have to lock onto target before
launch

>>
>> Btw, I forgot about mentioning hardcore AAA fire:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/XNucO0IZ0EU
>>
>> Shit!
> 

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Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft George <george.core@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-23 13:38 +0000
  Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> - 2018-04-23 15:45 +0000
  Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-23 22:17 -0700
    Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Juergen Nieveler <juergen@nieveler.org> - 2018-04-24 08:17 +0200
      Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-24 13:50 -0700
        Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-24 14:42 -0700
          Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-04-25 10:21 -0500
            Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 11:05 -0700
              Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-04-25 14:06 -0500
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 13:34 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft jonathan <WriteInstead@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 19:02 -0400
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 22:55 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2018-04-27 18:56 +0100
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2018-04-27 18:37 +0100
              Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-25 15:29 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 21:29 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-04-26 00:42 -0500
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-26 22:25 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 02:58 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-01 13:52 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-01 17:26 -0500
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 17:57 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-01 19:43 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 07:33 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Juergen Nieveler <juergen@nieveler.org> - 2018-04-27 09:17 +0200
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 03:03 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Airyx <eweinkam@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 05:22 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Peter Stickney <p_stickney@verizon.net> - 2018-04-27 16:46 -0400
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Juergen Nieveler <juergen@nieveler.org> - 2018-04-27 14:27 +0200
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Airyx <eweinkam@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 06:47 -0700
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-04-27 11:27 -0500
                Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft Peter Stickney <p_stickney@verizon.net> - 2018-04-27 16:50 -0400
              Long Range US Missiles in the 21st. Century WAS Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "David E. Powell" <david_powell3006@msn.com> - 2018-04-25 21:20 -0700
        Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-24 14:52 -0700
      Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "dott.Piergiorgio" <chiedetemelo@ask.me> - 2018-04-29 10:16 +0200
  Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2018-04-24 11:56 +0200
  Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-23 21:50 -0700
    Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-03 23:05 -0700
      Re: Quantum radar will expose stealth aircraft abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2018-07-04 11:55 +0200

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