Re: Undeservedly famous

From	nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance)
Newsgroups	rec.arts.sf.written
Subject	Re: Undeservedly famous
Date	2018-04-15 23:39 +0000
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Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 3:30:55 PM UTC+10, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 2018-04-13 10:44 PM, The Zygon wrote:
>> > I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is quite famous, but which they think is crap. Or at minimum cannot see what is so great about the story or book.  I suspect that many people know of just such stories or books, even authors whose body of work they think is quite undeserving of the praise heaped upon them.
>> > 
>> > One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is _Spider Robinson_.  And one story whose fame I don't quite get is _Fahrenheit 451_.
>> > 
>> > I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this story.  I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological debates.  A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement.   I prefer to just avoid them.
>> > 
>> > But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others.
>> > 
>> 
>> Well obviously I despise Lord Foul's Bane...but that's not rare.  I 
>> think that more people have read that without liking it than any other 
>> sf book I know of.  Perhaps it's odder that I've had a bellyful of 
>> Prachett and will never read anything he writes again.  About three or 
>> four books into the Sword of Truth I threw the latest one against the 
>> wall denouncing it as "Randite nonsense" and stopped reading him as well.
>> 
>> And looking through this list
>> 
>> https://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843/your-picks-top-100-science-fiction-fantasy-books
>> 
>> I'm just wondering what the hell Shannara is doing on it.  I don't hate 
>> it but it seriously doesn't belong in that company.
> 
> I'm just wondering what the hell Harry Potter and Narnia are doing not on it. I know we often argue about what is or isn't science fiction and fantasy but I'd struggle to come up with any definition that didn't include those two.
> 
> I suppose it's possible that no-one voted for either but I highly doubt that, particularly HP. That list was compiled in 2011, the year that the film series came to an end. It was also only a year after the third installment in the Narnia movies came out.
> 
> -Moriarty

They probably classified them as "young adult", which they said they were
going to do at some future date. (I don't recall if they did or not.)

Tony

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Undeservedly famous The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 21:44 -0700
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