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Re: The incoming speed of light is variable

From HGW <HW@home.net>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: The incoming speed of light is variable
Date 2018-04-05 09:24 +1000
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On 05/04/18 06:08, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 4/3/18 5:40 PM, HGW wrote:
>> Light does not possess an intrinsic frequency.
> 
> Yes. This is one of the few things you say that is actually correct.

Everything I say is correct.

>> ..and its wavelength is not and cannot be affected by anything the infinite number of  observers do.
> 
> Hmmm. Light does not have an intrinsic wavelength either -- something you simply do not understand, and refuse to study.

You have no model of light in transit, which is its only real state. ..so on what basis do you claim that?

> It is OBSERVED that the wavelength of light from distant objects is subject to the annual Doppler effect -- as the 
> observer moves differently relative to the light source, the measured wavelength of the light CHANGES. Your denial is 
> pure FANTASY and cannot change this FACT.

Diffraction gratings are sensitive to light's  arrival speed as well as its absolute wavelength. I have shown the 
principle here: www.scisite.info/bathgrating.jpg.

>> The 'frequency' you are talking about is defined as c/lambda, which is the rate at which 'wavelengths' depart from the 
>> source.
> 
> NO! The frequency is DEFINED as the frequency of the output from an appropriate detector. Yes, light in the wave optics 
> approximation obeys the relationship
>      f = c/𝛌
> where f and 𝛌 are the MEASURED frequency and wavelength of the light, and c is the SPEED OF LIGHT RELATIVE TO THE 
> INERTIAL FRAME OF THE DETECTOR. The source is not involved -- that is pure FANTASY on your part.

Bullshit! Pure bullshit.
Nobody has 'measured any such frequency. It is an inferred quantity defined by your above equation. f=c/𝛌., which 
clearly means nothing other than wave emission rate.
> 
> This is true of ALL waves. In ALL cases, "c" is the phase speed of the wave RELATIVE TO THE INERTIAL FRAME OF THE 
> DETECTOR. This is just basic math: anything we would call a "wave" propagating along the x axis can be modeled as having 
> an amplitude y [#] as a function of x and t:
>      y = A * sin(2*pi*(x/𝛌 - f*t))

That is the equation of a 'frozen' sine wave, moving relative to an observer. The wave DOES NOT oscillate. Draw a sine 
wave on a piece of paper and move it sideways. The above equation gives you the amplitude at a fixed point in either 
space or time.

> It is QUITE CLEAR that when 𝛌 and f are MEASURED BY A DETECTOR, then x and t must be measured in the INERTIAL FRAME OF 
> THE DETECTOR, and the phase speed of the wave RELATIVE TO THAT FRAME is clearly:
>      dx/dt = 𝛌*f
> The source frame is completely irrelevant [@].

You are an amateur on this subject. the correct equation is f = (dx/dt)/𝛌 IN THE SOURCE FRAM, WHERE DX/DT IS c.


>      [#] For water waves, y is the elevation of the water surface;
>      for sound waves in air, y is the density of the air; for EM
>      waves (including light) in the wave optics approximation, y is
>      the E or B field. In all cases A is an appropriate constant,
>      and an arbitrary overall phase has been ignored.

..and in all three cases, wavelength is absolute, ie. frame invariant.

>      [@] Consider measuring f and 𝛌 for a water wave, using a detector
>      moving relative to the water. It is QUITE CLEAR that dx/dt is the
>      speed relative TO THE INERTIAL FRAME OF THE DETECTOR, not relative
>      to the frame of the water or the frame of the source. The same
>      holds for light, even though it has nothing analogous to the water.

Well now you are agreeing with Ed lake and myself.  Thanks! You are learning.

>> The wave arrival 'frequency' is c+v)/lambda.
> 
> Nope. Only in your PERSONAL FANTASY WORLD, not in the world we inhabit.

It has never been shown to be otherwise.

>> NOBODY has directly associated a frequency with light.
> 
> Again, only in your PERSONAL FANTASY WORLD, not in the world we inhabit.
> 
>      Note that we normally use "light" to mean all electromagnetic
>      radiation. Do you seriously think your radio cannot tune to
>      different stations via the FREQUENCY of the waves they emit?

Radio tuners resonate with wave arrival rate. The 'frequency' is in the tuner, not he signal. Same gos for light.
> 
>      Note that for visible light, measurements of frequency have
>      been made using heterodyne to a frequency comb.

Frequency combs actually mix two wavelengths, not frequencies. They measure the frequency of the lower one though a 
frequency divider and knowing the dimensions of the cavity, can calculate the wavelength and therefore c/𝛌 of the light.

> Tom Roberts


-- 

    HGW

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                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-01 22:49 -0700
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              Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-31 08:20 -0700
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              Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Emory Walpole <aibw@wrtwgt.lr> - 2018-03-31 16:13 +0000
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                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-04-01 08:15 +1000
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-01 10:12 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-04-02 10:51 +1000
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                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-02 08:13 -0700
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                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-02 09:08 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-31 19:09 -0500
                The Doppler effect (was: The incoming speed of light is variable) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-01 05:26 +0200
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                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-02 10:00 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-02 11:44 -0700
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                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-02 16:33 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-02 22:38 -0500
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                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-03 12:39 -0500
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                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-04 13:02 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-04 13:05 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-04 15:08 -0500
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-04 13:19 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-04 13:31 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-04 13:39 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-04-05 09:24 +1000
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-05 06:15 +0200
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-09 09:35 -0500
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Gaston Levell <jno@itwjwg.tn> - 2018-04-09 16:13 +0000
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-03 08:39 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-04-02 11:06 +1000
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-02 18:21 +0100
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-02 11:21 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-02 11:30 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-03 00:41 +0100
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-02 19:22 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-03 02:26 +0000
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-02 20:11 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-02 20:15 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-03 09:45 +0100
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-03 05:15 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-03 14:50 +0100
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-03 07:06 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-03 18:53 +0100
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-03 11:46 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-03 17:31 +0000
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-08 11:19 -0500
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 19:21 +0100
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Libor 'Poutnik' Stříž <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2018-04-08 21:11 +0200
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 08:50 +0100
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-09 04:49 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 18:35 +0100
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-12 17:06 -0500
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-04-13 09:32 +1000
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-13 04:46 +0200
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 07:42 +0100
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Libor P Striz <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2018-04-13 08:57 +0200
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 10:18 +0100
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Libor P Striz <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2018-04-14 08:52 +0200
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-14 00:11 -0700
                Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-13 06:31 -0700
                Speed of light in space near earth Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-08 17:11 -0500
                Re: Speed of light in space near earth SolomonW <SoloomonW@citi.com.au> - 2018-04-09 13:00 +1000
                Re: Speed of light in space near earth Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-09 09:29 -0500
                Re: Speed of light in space near earth SolomonW <SoloomonW@citi.com.au> - 2018-04-10 14:55 +1000
                Re: Speed of light in space near earth Libor P Striz <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2018-04-10 22:26 +0200
                Re: Speed of light in space near earth SolomonW <SoloomonW@citi.com.au> - 2018-04-11 13:26 +1000
                Re: Speed of light in space near earth Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-11 18:46 -0500
                Re: Speed of light in space near earth SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-04-12 10:44 +1000
                Re: Speed of light in space near earth "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 20:50 -0700
                Re: Speed of light in space near earth "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 20:55 -0700
              Re: The incoming speed of light is variable mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-01 00:02 -0700
        Re: The incoming speed of light is variable kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-28 15:04 -0700
          Re: The incoming speed of light is variable rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:38 -0700
          Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-29 08:55 -0700
    Re: The incoming speed of light is variable kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-28 07:40 -0700
      Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-28 08:28 -0700
        Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-28 08:43 -0700
          Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-28 08:53 -0700
        Re: The incoming speed of light is variable kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-28 15:32 -0700
          Re: The incoming speed of light is variable Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-29 09:23 -0700
            Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-29 09:27 -0700
              Re: The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-29 09:36 -0700
  The incoming speed of light is variable "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-28 07:36 -0700
    Re: The incoming speed of light is variable rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 08:06 -0700

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