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Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same?

Subject Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same?
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From Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
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Date 2018-03-03 21:38 +0000

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On 03/03/2018 13:53, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 3/2/18 9:24 AM, Keith Stein wrote:
>>> kenseto wrote:
>>>> The rate of passage of absolute time is the same everywhere...
>>
>> Yes, we know this because atomic spectra are identical throughout the 
>> universe, i.e the frequencies emitted by atoms are the same everywhere 
>> at all times.
> 
> No, we DON'T know that this is "absolute time", because atoms are quite 
> small -- we ONLY know that the rate of passage of LOCAL time is the same 
> everywhere (i.e. proper time for the distant atoms).
> 
>> It is true that frequencies look to be lower with galaxies further 
>> from Earth. This is conventionally considered to be a sort of Doppler 
>> Shift due to the expansion of the universe, but it is much better 
>> viewed as
>> a result of light slowing down as it travels through the intergalactic 
>> medium.
> 
> Physics is a QUANTITATIVE science. It is easy to CALCULATE the effect of 
> the intergalactic medium, and it is woefully inadequate to account for 
> the observed cosmological redshift.

I would very much like to see that CALCULATION, Mr.Roberts. I don't 
suppose you could provide a reference, could you?
> 
> Also, your notion of the speed of light "slowing down"
>      c = c(0) * e^-Kt
> does not work, because the equations that describe the emission of 
> atomic spectra depend on c. So if c was larger long ago, the spectra 
> would be different back then. They aren't.

Look at Bohr's formula,which is perhaps a little old fashioned, but as 
i'm sure you know Mr.Roberts ACCURATELY gives the frequencies in the 
hydrogen spectrum as

                = 2 * Pi^2 * m * e^4 / h^2  (1/n1^2 - 1/n2^2)

There is no c in that.
The fact that the hydrogen spectrum appears the same throughout the
universe would certainly suggest that the mass of the electron m, the 
charge of the electron e, and Plank's constant h, are all universal 
constants the values of which do not vary with time.


> Note also that the theories of physics are interrelated. It simply does 
> not work to GUESS about an isolated phenomenon (like the speed of 
> light), without modifying essentially all other physical theories as 
> well. They are VERY resistant to change (i.e. almost all "changes" you 
> can think up will violate some principle or other, or simply make the 
> theories self-inconsistent). For instance, your GUESS here violates 
> conservation of energy and conservation of momentum;

Even if that were true, and i don't think it is, it would certainly be
a lot less so than a preposterous theory like INFLATION, or the latest 
nonsense of the Big Bangers, DARK ENERGY - GALAXIES ACCELERATING, 
whatever next?

> it completely 
> invalidates SR,

Indeed it do Mr. Roberts, INDEED IT DO!

> which is one of the best-tested theories we have (claims 
> to the contrary by fools and idiots notwithstanding).

Anyone tried measuring the time dilation on the International Space 
Station yet Mr.Roberts ?

keith stein

> Tom Roberts

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Is time everywhere in the universe the same? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-02-25 14:53 -0800
  Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-02-25 15:09 -0800
  Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-02-26 07:15 +0000
    Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-19 14:09 +0000
  Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Eveline Hurst <rutu@rwsrnlv.ee> - 2018-02-26 13:32 +0000
    Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:24 +0000
      Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-03 07:53 -0600
        Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Ický Bezdrátovì <ikbe@wmkfre.np> - 2018-03-03 14:05 +0000
        Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Ický Bezdrátovì <ikbe@wmkfre.np> - 2018-03-03 14:07 +0000
        Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 21:38 +0000
          Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-04 13:03 +0100
          Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-08 13:33 -0600
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