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Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials?

From	Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials?
Date	2018-03-31 18:21 +0200
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Il 30/03/2018 20:11, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn ha scritto:
> Dino Bruniera wrote:
> 
>> However I don't think I didn't understand the experimental results.
> 
> You made several claims about those experiments that show that you *do* both
> misunderstand them (their goal) and misinterpret their (sometimes
> unexpected) results.
> 
> Once again you are hopelessly overestimating your understanding.  JFYI,
> you are dead wrong: they are rather very similar.
> 
> So far you have failed horribly in that, though.
>   

I don't want to reply to this provocation.

>>
>> But in this discussion we are talking about my theory, in which I speak
>> of isotropy of the speed and of isotropy of frequency of the photons of
>> the CMBR.
> 
> Irrelevant.
> 
>> In fact it is precisely because the frequency and speed of the CMBR are
>> both isotropic, which for my theory
> 
> You do not have a (scientific) theory.  A (scientific) theory must make
> *falsifiable* predictions.
> 
>> the reference frame of the CMBR is also the preferred reference frame.
> 
> Dead wrong.
> 
> 1. There is no preferred reference frame.  The principle of relativity
>     (introduced by Galilei) says so, and all observation confirms it.
>     That is, it is not possible for an observer who is in inertial motion
>     relative to something else to tell that this is the case *without*
>     external reference.
> 
> 2. The CMBR is radiation coming from, and moving to, *different* (all)
>     directions.  It cannot serve as a reference frame in the first place.
> 
But the CMBR is not a reference frame.
The reference frame is the place of the space in which the CMBR is 
isotropic and is referred to as the CMBR reference frame.
Below is what I wrote in my article about the CMBR.

"According to the Big Bang theory, about 379,000 years after the 
beginning of its expansion, the Universe became transparent to 
radiation, so a huge amount of photons began to spread freely (5,6).
Photons were released from different parts of the Universe and have 
travelled in random directions, so some of them travelled towards Earth.
Since then these photons, which are referred to as CMBR, have continued 
to reach Earth, starting with those being released from the closest 
points and then gradually more and more distant ones.
Due to the expansion of space, their wavelength has greatly increased, 
and therefore their frequency has decreased to the currently detected 
value (about 1,100 times), which is the same for all photons, except for 
some very slight anisotropies (around one in 100,000) (5).
In addition to these anisotropies, which are intrinsic in nature for 
CMBR (being of intrinsic nature, they do not affect the present theory 
and, therefore, for simplicity will not always be considered in this 
paper), it has been detected a particular anisotropy of much greater 
amplitude than the other (around one in 1,000) (4), which depends on the 
direction of the CMBR’s provenance and that is due to the motion of the 
Earth (about 300 km/s) with respect to a particular point at which this 
anisotropy would not be detected, called "dipole anisotropy" (7)."

> In any case,
> 
> 3. the *observed* CMB *anisotropies* ultimately *kill* your idea:
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RELIKT-1>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Background_Explorer#/media/File:COBE_DMR_Image.PNG>
Below the figures is written "following dipole subtraction", ie without 
the "dipole anisotropy", which demonstrates the motion of the Earth with 
respect to the CMBR reference frame.
As I wrote above.

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkinson_Microwave_Anisotropy_Probe#/media/File:Ilc_9yr_moll4096.png>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_(spacecraft)#/media/File:PIA16874-CobeWmapPlanckComparison-20130321.jpg>
> 
But also the other images are purified from the dipole anisotropy.

Instead the images on the first page of this link are not purified from 
dipole anisotropy.

http://www.inaoep.mx/~itziar/clases/cmb10_2.pdf

>> However I think that what you call the "black-body temperature" of the
>> CMBR, corresponds to the frequency of the potons of CMBR.
> 
> You *think* (or rather, *believe*), because you do _not_ *know*.
> *By chance*, you are correct here –,
> 
>     E² = m²c⁴ + p²c²
> 
>    E_γ = E(m = 0) = p_γ c
> 
>    p_γ = ℏ |k⃗| = ℎ∕2π × 2π∕λ = ℎ∕λ
> 
>    E_γ = p_γ c = ℎ∕λ × c = ℎ c∕λ = ℎ f
> 
> – but it is doubtful whether you are only trying to obscure the fact that
> *I told you so* further below.
>   
>>>> Because there is the isotropy of speed and the isotropy of frequency.
>>> Correct.  And the isotropy of its (phase) speed is a truism, because it
>>> is electromagnetic radiation of which we *know* that the (phase) speed is
>>> isotropic.  It is largely irrelevant.
>> In my theory I speak of the speed of the photons of the CMBR and not of
>> the phase velocity of the photons of the CMBR.
>>
>> And the MM experiment concerns the speed of light and not the phase
>> velocity of light.
> 
> Speed is the magnitude of (the) velocity (vector).  Don’t you know anything?
> 
>> Moreover, the phase velocity can also exceed the speed of light,
> 
> No, it cannot.  

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Why_Phase_velocity_is_greater_than_the_speed_of_light_inside_the_waveguide

But I do not comment because I have always talked about the speed of 
light, without mentioning any phase.

> Both are separate, interrelated quantities; however, if
> one says “velocity” when one means “speed”¹, then they are *the same*.
> 
> Therefore I wrote “(phase) speed of light” several times.
> 
> You have no clue what you are talking about.  At all.
> 
> ______
> ¹  as it is the case with “phase velocity”, and in at least one introductory
>     online course on special relativity that I happened to pass with a mark
>     of 100 % – highly recommended[1]
> 
>>>> And in this case, I refer to the isotropy of speed, as I wrote in my
>>>> final paragraph, that you cut.
>>>
>>> But that is largely irrelevant.  We already *know* that the speed of
>>> light is invariant by theory since 1905, and by experiment *at least*
>>> since the 1920s.
>>
>> The speed of light is isotropic, due to Einstein's special relativity
>> theory,
> 
> No, *experimental evidence* showed it *before*.  Einstein merely raised
> that to a postulate.  (You have not read his seminal paper, “On the
> Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies”, yes?)
> 
>> but not due the theory of Lorentz aether before 1926.

I verified that the year when Lorentz changed his mind about the ether, 
it was 1916 and not 1926.
On that date he wrote a book with which he accepted the Einstein 
convention for the synchronization of clocks.
But he did not abandon the idea of ether.

> 
> Lorentz formulated his aether theory (which is _not_ what we call LET now)
> in 1892 and refined it until 1904.  It then became apparent (to him, too)
> that SR (starting in 1905) was the better theory, and he abandoned his and
> supported SR instead.
> 

I do not think it's true, but it does not matter for my article.

>> And my theory derives from that of Lorentz before 1926.
> 

Before 1916.

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_ether_theory>
> 
> “Contrary to Poincaré, Lorentz in 1914 considered his own theory as
> incompatible with the relativity principle and rejected it [his theory].”
> 

The book with the new formulation of the aether theory was published in 
1916 but, as I wrote above, Lorentz did not abandon the ether.

> You have not the slightest clue what you are talking about.
>   
>>> Do you even know what “isotropy” and “isotropic” *means*?
>>
>> I believe I know it well.
> 
> This is science, not religion.  Your belief is *irrelevant*.  I dare you to
> define “isotropy” *without* your looking it up.
> 
>>>> Therefore you had to write "the isotropy of the speed of the CMBR".
>>> Yes, it is very important not to confuse those two concepts: isotropy of
>>> (black-body) temperature, and isotropy of speed.  You *are* confusing
>>> them, and that leads you to believe that your conclusions make some
>>> sense.  They do not.
>>
>> As I wrote above, perhaps you do not consider that the "(black-body)
>> temperature" of the CMBR, corresponds to the frequency of the photons of
>> the CMBR.
> 
> That is what *I* told *you*.
> 
>> Maybe that's why you think I'm messing up.
> 
> You *are* messing up.
> 
>> However I believe it is more correct and even simpler, to use the word
>> "frequency".
> 
> Your belief is irrelevant.  You are wrong.
>    
>>>>> Strictly speaking, the CMB has no speed.
>>>> Are you kidding me?
>>>> The "R" of CMB_R, refers to "Radiation", which manifests itself through
>>>> photons, which have the so-called speed of light.
>>> But I said “_CMB_”, not “CMBR”.  The missing “R” for “Radiation”, and the
>>> “strictly speaking” part, are important here.
>>
>> I do not understand this.
>> How do the photons of the CMBR not to have a speed, "strictly speaking"
>> or not "strictly speaking", that is?
> 
> One is the astronomical object of observation, the other the *radiation*.
>   
>>>>> The CMB_R_ has a (phase) speed,
>>>> What do you mean by phase speed?
>>> You do not even know that and claim to be able to propose a quantum-
>>> mechanical theory that makes sense?  You cannot arrive at a proper
>>> understanding of physics by taking such shortcuts.
>>
>> This was a rhetorical question.
> 
> Why are you lying?
>   
>>> And not only theory (Maxwellian electrodynamics) but also *observation*
>>> shows that this speed is locally constant, and the same for all observers
>>> in the same medium.  Therefore the relativistic Doppler effect: the
>>> change of *observed* frequency (redshift or blueshift) *and* *observed*
>>> wavelength *without* a change of the speed of light.
>>
>> This applies to the theory of special relativity.
> 
> Not only.
> 
>>>> So maybe it's you, not me, who does not know well what CMBR is.
>>> YMMD.  You did not even know what phase speed is, you had to look it up.
>>    
>> I repeat that it seems to me that perhaps we have understood each other,
>> now.
> 
> You have not understood anything.
>   
>>>>> As I expected, you would not even think about and answer the simplest
>>>>> questions to double-check your understanding.
>>>>> Your un(der)educated guessing is hopeless.
>>>> Why would my "guessing" be "un(der)educated"?
>>>
>>> Because you *evidently* do not know what you are talking about.  You do
>>> not even know, or understand, the basic concepts of the two prevailing
>>> (because experimentally confirmed) theories of light, like phase speed
>>> (Maxwellian electrodynamics), photon energy, and black-body temperature
>>> (both quantum
>>> mechanics).  Yet you claim to be able to propose a consistent theory that
>>> is based on the observed properties of light.
>>
>> I am a retired,
> 
> Figures.
> 
>> with the passion of physic, and two years ago I did an
>> online physics course, which I have passed with the score of 92.5 out of
>> 100. So I know, at least, the basic concepts of physics.
> 
> Evidently you don’t.  Or you are willfully, arbitrarily discarding much of
> what you learned.
> 
>> But, as regards relativity and cosmology, I think I know a little more.
> 
> You mean *much* *less*.
> 
>> I have proposed an alternative theory to special relativity,
> 
> No, you have published pseudo-scientific word salad.  That is why you had to
> do it on viXra, the crackpot’s paradise for papers that never underwent
> proper peer review and probably never will.
> 
>> but I am ready to change my mind, if someone diverts me where my proof is
>> wrong,
> 
> I have told you numerous times now.
>   
>> To prove my thesis, I remind you that on the basis of special relativity
>> and also on the basis of Lorentz's ether theory, the MMX experiment
>> would give the same result in any reference system.
> 
> Historian’s fallacy.
> 
>> So if it turns out that this is not true, both theories would be
>> falsified.
> 
> The MMX was first performed in 1887.  Lorentz introduced his aether theoryin
> 1892 as a consequence and explanation of the former’s null result.  SR was
> formulated independently in 1905, without requiring an aether.  To this day
> SR is the theory that works better.
> 
>> Therefore you should demonstrate that the MMX experiment does
>> not show that the speed of light is the same in every reference system.
> 
> *In hindsight*, the MMX was performed only in its rest frame, where
> coordinate time equals proper time [γ(v) = 1∕√(1 − v²∕c²), γ(0) = 1.]
> 
> Next time, do your own homework.
> 
>> So you win a Nobel prize for physics! :-)
> 
> You have no clue.
> 
>> Now I conclude this post, apologizing for the delay,
> 
> You should apologize for a few other things instead, including wasting
> everybody’s time and other resources with this nonsense.
> 
> 

I read everything, but I only answered the points that I considered most 
important, both for time problems and because I did not consider it 
necessary for the demonstration of my theory.

Dino Bruniera

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Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 02:09 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-30 05:29 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 10:21 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-30 10:31 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-30 10:39 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-30 18:26 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 10:45 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-30 13:53 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 17:24 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-30 17:55 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 11:12 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-01 11:58 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 22:02 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-31 00:40 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 06:18 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 06:48 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 11:04 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-31 07:40 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 21:48 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-26 22:07 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-27 04:54 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 08:35 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 05:22 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Jay Arter <fey@aawlcw.ju> - 2018-03-27 12:34 +0000
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:18 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:41 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 17:09 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 17:29 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 17:36 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 17:39 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 17:44 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 17:52 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 18:11 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 18:20 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Jay Arter <fey@aawlcw.ju> - 2018-03-27 12:31 +0000
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-25 08:27 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 11:55 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-25 21:35 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 06:35 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-26 09:27 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 14:08 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Jay Arter <fey@aawlcw.ju> - 2018-03-26 21:15 +0000
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Emma Blazer <aemb@wmopswxa.as> - 2018-03-23 22:05 +0000
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-24 08:23 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 11:04 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-25 19:45 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-25 20:21 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 18:29 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-27 19:51 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 21:23 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-27 22:23 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 01:56 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-28 03:07 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 04:04 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-28 04:58 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 11:05 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-28 15:31 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 16:28 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-30 20:11 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 18:21 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-01 19:12 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 23:04 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-28 10:27 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 11:12 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-28 14:16 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 00:50 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-29 03:02 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 23:25 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-31 00:37 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 18:55 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-31 21:51 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 00:07 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-01 02:00 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 11:35 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Emory Walpole <aibw@wrtwgt.lr> - 2018-04-01 13:30 +0000
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-01 18:44 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-01 14:30 -0500
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 22:47 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-01 23:18 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Emory Walpole <aibw@wrtwsgt.lr> - 2018-04-02 14:37 +0000
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-04-02 17:17 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 15:11 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 15:44 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-04-02 08:36 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Emory Walpole <aibw@wrtwsgt.lr> - 2018-04-02 17:31 +0000
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-31 18:54 -0500
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-01 02:04 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-31 21:47 -0500
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-01 05:30 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-01 08:52 -0500
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Emory Walpole <aibw@wrtwgt.lr> - 2018-04-01 14:28 +0000
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-01 18:09 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-04-01 20:00 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-01 20:38 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 07:01 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-01 22:42 -0700
LET (was: Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials?) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-02 11:41 -0500
Re: LET (was: Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials?) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-04 01:51 +0200
Re: LET (was: Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials?) Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 03:47 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-31 20:49 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-31 21:03 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-29 09:56 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 23:37 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-30 06:37 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 23:44 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-31 00:38 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 16:06 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-31 17:27 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 18:29 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-31 20:58 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 22:48 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-01 02:14 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 14:03 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-01 18:17 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 11:06 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-01 22:44 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 22:58 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 23:03 -0700
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 22:14 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-01 23:11 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Dino Bruniera <dino.bruniera@gmail.com> - 2018-04-02 01:00 +0200
Re: Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-02 09:01 +0200
Why does gravity exist? How does gravity attract materials? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-30 07:35 -0700

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