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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Newsgroups | rec.arts.sf.written |
| Subject | Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? |
| Date | 2018-03-25 21:40 -0600 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <p99q3e$1ec$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
| References | (3 earlier) <iiifbdtvcaq2flt9dhlpmdikl49vs226iv@4ax.com> <p65o38.1v1y@kithrup.com> <16nfbdhe5m689lbtnbe2rr59ch5kosh1s1@4ax.com> <MPG.3522791db4652a9b989ad7@news.kolumbus.fi> <f6ngbdl2nikbe62noj4n4l3pohi167fa8g@4ax.com> |
On 2018-03-25 8:37 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 04:28:50 +0300, Juho Julkunen > <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> In article <16nfbdhe5m689lbtnbe2rr59ch5kosh1s1@4ax.com>, jclarke.873638 >> @gmail.com says... >>> >>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 16:49:56 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J >>> Heydt) wrote: >>>> >>>> (Cf. a lot of early episodes of Doctor Who, which were recorded >>>> over because tapes cost money.) >>> >>> The benefits of socialized television. >> >> Tapes cost money for private broadcasters, too. > > But private broadcasters aren't subject to government austerity > programs. > And of course being private corporations they have no interest in saving money. Almost all of NBC's The Tonight Show with Jack Paar and the first ten years (1962–1972) hosted by Johnny Carson were taped over by the network and no longer exist. The videotape was being used repeatedly, hence the reason that Carson's Tonight Show picture looked muddy during broadcast in the late 1960s. Selected sequences from the 1962–1972 era survive and were often replayed by Carson himself (particularly in the months preceding his retirement in 1992) and have been released to home video. Some Paar episodes also survive and have also been released to home video—in this case, DVD. Similarly, NBC reused the tapes of ventriloquist Shari Lewis's 1960-1963 Saturday morning children's program The Shari Lewis Show, to record coverage of the 1964 Democratic and Republican National Conventions. Lewis said in an interview decades later that to her, this was a shame, since the shows were beautifully done as a showcase of NBC's early color broadcast work. Most US daytime soap opera episodes broadcast before 1978 have been lost. The status of episodes, however, varies widely from show to show: Soaps produced by Procter & Gamble Productions, including Search for Tomorrow, Guiding Light, As the World Turns, The Edge of Night, and Another World began preserving their episodes in 1978. A few scattered episodes, mostly black and white kinescopes, of these series exist from the 1950s, 1960s, and early to mid-1970s. The CBS soaps Love of Life and The Secret Storm, as well as several short-lived shows, suffered the same fate. ABC's One Life to Live and All My Children were originally owned by their creator, Agnes Nixon, who chose to archive all episodes. However, early episodes of AMC were only saved as black-and-white kinescopes despite being produced and telecast in color. ABC purchased the shows in late 1974; different sources report that Nixon's archive was either lost in a fire or erased. A few black-and-white kinescopes of both series' early years exist, as well as a few color episodes. ABC began full archiving of these soaps at Nixon's insistence when they expanded from 30 minutes to an hour—AMC in 1977, and OLTL in 1978. Most 1963–1970 episodes of ABC's longest-running General Hospital survive because the series was then owned by Selmur Productions. Few episodes from 1970 to 1977 were saved. Ryan's Hope premiered in 1975, several years before ABC began saving all of its daytime programming, but exists in its entirety as it was originally owned by Labine-Mayer Productions. Dark Shadows, created by Dan Curtis, which ran from 1966 to 1971, has the distinction of being one of the few soap operas to have nearly all of its original episodes preserved. As a result of kinescope, many earlier episodes of which the master film was lost are still available. However, episode #1219 was lost but reconstructed with an audio recording for home video release. Two long-running soaps have full archives: Days of Our Lives, which premiered in 1965, and The Young and the Restless, which premiered in 1973. Both series were originally distributed by Screen Gems.
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[tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-22 14:30 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-22 16:20 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-03-22 10:16 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 10:45 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-03-23 10:33 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 20:48 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-23 21:08 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 08:53 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-03-24 09:48 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 13:11 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 10:45 -0500
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 12:14 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-25 16:49 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 13:31 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-26 04:28 +0300
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 22:37 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-26 05:56 +0300
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-25 21:40 -0600
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-26 04:11 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 03:29 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-26 04:03 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-25 21:34 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-25 13:15 -0600
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Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 22:38 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 19:35 -0500
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 22:52 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-26 19:58 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 23:20 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 06:08 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-22 21:41 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-03-23 10:31 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 18:28 +0000
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Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-24 17:34 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-22 11:24 -0600
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-22 17:47 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 11:07 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2018-03-22 17:57 -0600
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-22 12:42 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-22 14:10 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-22 17:38 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 16:57 -0500
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-23 13:36 +0000
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Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dan ONeill <garudaco@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 07:50 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 14:23 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-23 14:57 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 18:30 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-03-25 14:57 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-25 22:46 +0000
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Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 01:22 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-03-25 20:47 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 04:00 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-26 04:21 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 04:23 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 14:18 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 07:49 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 11:23 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-26 15:34 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-26 10:05 -0600
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:33 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-26 16:24 -0600
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-26 15:40 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 22:55 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-26 09:39 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-03-26 14:16 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 17:24 -0400
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-26 14:44 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-26 14:31 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-26 14:36 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-26 22:00 +0000
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-26 15:26 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-26 15:37 -0700
Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-29 11:33 -0700
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Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print? Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2018-03-26 11:26 -0600
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