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Re: Object oriented programming

From "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de>
Newsgroups comp.lang.javascript
Subject Re: Object oriented programming
Date 2018-01-07 12:40 +0100
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On 06.01.2018 at 22:28, Julio Di Egidio wrote:

> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 10:11:22 PM UTC+1, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>
>> | Note: As of ES2015, JavaScript arguably got methods
> 
> Was that the point?  Should I find another "third-party" blog entry about
> how the new standard is even worse than what we had?  Indeed, instead of
> fixing it, they have been making it worse, and just in order to please "the
> community" and the very bias towards object orientation.  Marketers.  JS the
> most abused and misunderstood language ever.  And it's a shame, as, besides
> the ubiquity, it's fundamentally a wonderful language...

I agree that functional programming in ECMAScript implementations is
still underrated, and I understand why some prefer and advocate
functional programming over object oriented programming.  However, that
does not mean that these languages are not object-oriented, even though
it is possible to program non-trivial and even complex algorithms
without applying the object-oriented paradigm (most notably, mutation of
object state).  One may even argue that ECMAScript has no first-class
functions, since functions are nothing more than callable objects.

With regard to function vs. method: as I see it, this distinction is
useful in these languages, but not so much as specified by Ecma ("A
function that is associated with an object via a property is called a
method."), but rather when referring to the possibility that the
function/method uses the implicit `this` reference.  Along these lines,
`Array.prototype.map` would be a method, but `R.map`[1] would be a function.

BTW: I would suggest to avoid explicit language, at least in public
discussions. :)

[1] <http://ramdajs.com/docs/#map>

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 10:25 -0800
  Re: Object oriented programming "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-05 11:51 -0800
    Re: Object oriented programming Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-05 23:47 +0100
      Re: Object oriented programming "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-05 15:15 -0800
        Re: Object oriented programming Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-08 03:08 +0100
    Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 15:09 -0800
      Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 15:21 -0800
        Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 15:27 -0800
  Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-05 12:09 -0800
    Re: Object oriented programming "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-05 13:01 -0800
      Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-05 14:38 -0800
        Re: Object oriented programming "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-05 15:29 -0800
          Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 15:49 -0800
            Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 02:23 -0800
              Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-06 03:25 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 03:39 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-06 04:24 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 05:26 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 05:28 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 05:34 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 06:08 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 06:27 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 06:36 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 07:34 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-06 09:56 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-06 14:21 +0000
                Re: Object oriented programming Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-01-06 17:42 +0000
                Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-06 11:47 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2018-01-06 22:11 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-06 13:28 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2018-01-07 12:40 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-07 13:01 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2018-01-07 19:43 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-07 20:33 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-07 08:30 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-07 14:05 +0000
                Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-07 08:33 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-08 09:46 +0000
                Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-08 03:45 -0800
              Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 03:39 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-06 04:24 -0800
              Re: Object oriented programming bit-naughty@hotmail.com - 2018-01-12 22:57 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-13 13:27 +0000
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-13 08:24 -0800
      Re: Object oriented programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-06 14:10 +0000
        Re: Object oriented programming "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-06 23:54 -0800
          Re: Object oriented programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-07 14:13 +0000
            Re: Object oriented programming "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2018-01-07 15:26 +0100
              Re: Object oriented programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-08 09:39 +0000
                Re: Object oriented programming "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2018-01-09 00:12 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 02:45 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-08 21:34 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 12:52 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-09 04:41 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 15:50 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-09 07:31 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-10 15:03 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-10 15:04 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-11 02:06 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-09 09:50 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2018-01-09 13:19 +0100

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