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Re: Object oriented programming

Newsgroups comp.lang.javascript
Date 2018-01-05 15:29 -0800
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Subject Re: Object oriented programming
From "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com>

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Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:
> > Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > 
> > > OO can be a language or it can be an architectural approach.
> > 
> > I don't think there is a difference semantically.
> 
> You are simply wrong, that difference is in fact basic and quite important.
> Of course, you could have asked "why is that difference important", but of
> course you didn't, you rather "think".

Somebody has to think. If you won't, than I will... 

I've asked you to justify your claims more than once in the past, and I'm still waiting. I may be a masochist for this, but I do have limits.

> > David Ungar would disagree, along with most of the Self community [1]
> 
> I have been debunking the whole bandwagon publicly and for years, and at
> my own costs.

Reference please.

> You as most people just go with the authorities, which is
> part of a now globalised problem, not any sensible objection to whatever
> anybody is saying.

Not simply "just", but generally yes. Some "authorities" are more equal than others. Ungar is not a lesser mortal in this field, so what *exactly* are you objecting to?

> > Historically the industry was mostly procedural and imperative in it's
> > programming. OOPs main sale was Encapsulation and Structured Programming.
> 
> Yes, a sale, as the whole thing remains unmitigated bullshit: indeed note
> that OO programming is imperative itself,

Most, not all. My List implementation is not. Can you see the difference?

> > Alan Kay is credited for inventing the term. To quote him on the matter:
> > "I made up the term object-oriented, and I can tell you I did not have C++
> > in mind."
> 
> Exactly, back to languages vs paradigms, but you'll deny it if it comes from
> me, while you will warship it and whatever if it comes from any of the star
> system gurus.

Why the assumption that languages and paradigms have to be separable and in conflict?

> > We've been through this before.
> 
> That's right, but this is a public group and my replies are for those who
> can benefit.

Still not sure who benefits. It still looks vacuous to me.

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Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 10:25 -0800
  Re: Object oriented programming "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-05 11:51 -0800
    Re: Object oriented programming Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-05 23:47 +0100
      Re: Object oriented programming "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-05 15:15 -0800
        Re: Object oriented programming Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-08 03:08 +0100
    Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 15:09 -0800
      Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 15:21 -0800
        Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 15:27 -0800
  Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-05 12:09 -0800
    Re: Object oriented programming "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-05 13:01 -0800
      Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-05 14:38 -0800
        Re: Object oriented programming "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-05 15:29 -0800
          Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 15:49 -0800
            Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 02:23 -0800
              Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-06 03:25 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 03:39 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-06 04:24 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 05:26 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 05:28 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 05:34 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 06:08 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 06:27 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 06:36 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 07:34 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-06 09:56 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-06 14:21 +0000
                Re: Object oriented programming Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-01-06 17:42 +0000
                Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-06 11:47 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2018-01-06 22:11 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-06 13:28 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2018-01-07 12:40 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-07 13:01 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2018-01-07 19:43 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-07 20:33 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-07 08:30 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-07 14:05 +0000
                Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-07 08:33 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-08 09:46 +0000
                Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-08 03:45 -0800
              Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 03:39 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-01-06 04:24 -0800
              Re: Object oriented programming bit-naughty@hotmail.com - 2018-01-12 22:57 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-13 13:27 +0000
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-13 08:24 -0800
      Re: Object oriented programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-06 14:10 +0000
        Re: Object oriented programming "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-06 23:54 -0800
          Re: Object oriented programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-07 14:13 +0000
            Re: Object oriented programming "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2018-01-07 15:26 +0100
              Re: Object oriented programming John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-08 09:39 +0000
                Re: Object oriented programming "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2018-01-09 00:12 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 02:45 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-08 21:34 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 12:52 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-09 04:41 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 15:50 +0100
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-09 07:31 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-10 15:03 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-10 15:04 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-11 02:06 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-01-09 09:50 -0800
                Re: Object oriented programming "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2018-01-09 13:19 +0100

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