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| From | HGW <HW@home.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Clarification Needed Please. |
| Date | 2017-09-25 15:42 +1000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <oqa4vc$1m16$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
| References | <oq9i5e$umt$1@gioia.aioe.org> <f2r3v6FbbjvU1@mid.individual.net> |
On 25/09/17 11:20, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 25/09/2017 10:21 AM, HGW wrote:
>> This diagram http://www.scisite.info/event.jpeg, is an X-T graph of a light source which emits an instantaneous flash
>> of light at a certain location and time in a particular reference frame. It also shows a transform of that graph into
>> Frame 2, which is moving at v relative to Frame 1.
>> Normally, one would expect the slope of the worldline of the flash to be c in frame one and c-v in Frame 2. However SR
>> claims that opposite fractional changes in the coordinates of both axes bring that latter slope back to c.
>>
>> If that is accepted, what speed would an observer at rest in frame 2 now assign to frame 1 or the light source? It
>> would appear that whilst Frame 2 is moving at v relative to frame 1, frame 1 is NOT moving at v relative to Frame 2.
>>
>> Would a dingleberry expert please explain how their theory accounts for this seemingly ridiculous situation.
>
>
> If you apply the Lorentz transformation properly, rather than cherry picking bits of it (as you are doing), then the
> world line has the same slope in both frames.
I know. That's what I said. You apparently don't know how to do it.
My main concern is about the worldline of the source.
It must also change ....which means Frame 1 is not moving at v according to an observe at rest in frame 2
>
> Sylvia.
--
HGW
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Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-25 10:21 +1000
Re: Clarification Needed Please. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-24 17:30 -0700
Re: Clarification Needed Please. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-24 17:53 -0700
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Re: Clarification Needed Please. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-24 18:12 -0700
Re: Clarification Needed Please. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-09-25 11:20 +1000
Re: Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-25 15:42 +1000
Re: Clarification Needed Please. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-09-25 20:19 +1000
Re: Clarification Needed Please. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-25 13:28 +0200
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