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Re: Clarification Needed Please.

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Clarification Needed Please.
Date 2017-09-25 11:20 +1000
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On 25/09/2017 10:21 AM, HGW wrote:
> This diagram http://www.scisite.info/event.jpeg, is an X-T graph of a 
> light source which emits an instantaneous flash of light at a certain 
> location and time in a particular reference frame. It also shows a 
> transform of that graph  into Frame 2, which is moving at v relative to 
> Frame 1.
> Normally, one would expect the slope of the worldline of the flash to be 
> c in frame one and c-v in Frame 2. However SR claims that opposite 
> fractional changes in the coordinates of both axes bring that latter 
> slope back to c.
> 
> If that is accepted, what speed would an observer at rest in frame 2 now 
> assign to frame 1 or the light source? It would appear that whilst Frame 
> 2 is moving at v relative to frame 1, frame 1 is NOT moving at v 
> relative to Frame 2.
> 
> Would a dingleberry expert please explain how their theory accounts for 
> this seemingly ridiculous situation.


If you apply the Lorentz transformation properly, rather than cherry 
picking bits of it (as you are doing), then the world line has the same 
slope in both frames.

Sylvia.

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Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-25 10:21 +1000
  Re: Clarification Needed Please. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-24 17:30 -0700
    Re: Clarification Needed Please. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-24 17:53 -0700
      Re: Clarification Needed Please. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-24 18:03 -0700
        Re: Clarification Needed Please. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-24 18:06 -0700
          Re: Clarification Needed Please. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-24 18:12 -0700
  Re: Clarification Needed Please. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-09-25 11:20 +1000
    Re: Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-25 15:42 +1000
      Re: Clarification Needed Please. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-09-25 20:19 +1000
      Re: Clarification Needed Please. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-25 13:28 +0200
        Re: Clarification Needed Please. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-09-25 21:29 +1000
          Re: Clarification Needed Please. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-25 15:00 +0200
            Re: Clarification Needed Please. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-09-26 03:55 +1000
            Re: Clarification Needed Please. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-25 22:43 +0200
          Re: Clarification Needed Please. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-09-27 19:45 -0500
            Re: Clarification Needed Please. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-09-28 13:00 +1000
              Re: Clarification Needed Please. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-10-15 10:54 -0500
        Re: Clarification Needed Please. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-09-26 03:53 +1000
          Re: Clarification Needed Please. Kos Etrakis <uar@ksskkwi.ck> - 2017-09-25 17:55 +0000
          Re: Clarification Needed Please. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-25 22:40 +0200
            Re: Clarification Needed Please. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-25 22:43 +0200
            Re: Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-26 11:42 +1000
              Re: Clarification Needed Please. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-26 04:37 -0700
              Re: Clarification Needed Please. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-26 14:45 +0200
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-27 08:16 +1000
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-27 00:27 +0200
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-27 00:32 +0200
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-27 08:45 +1000
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-27 00:53 +0200
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-27 10:51 +1000
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-27 11:55 +0200
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-27 14:59 +0200
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-27 09:27 +0200
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-27 19:06 +0200
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-28 08:47 +1000
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-28 03:30 +0200
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-28 15:00 +0200
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-27 14:56 +0200
  Re: Clarification Needed Please. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-25 12:38 +0200
    Re: Clarification Needed Please. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-09-26 03:58 +1000
    Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-26 16:42 +0200
      Re: Clarification Needed Please. Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-09-26 16:56 +0200
      Re: Clarification Needed Please. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-26 20:17 +0200
        Re: Clarification Needed Please. Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-09-26 20:45 +0200
          Re: Clarification Needed Please. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-26 22:04 +0200
            Re: Clarification Needed Please. Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-09-26 22:36 +0200
              Re: Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-27 08:30 +1000
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-27 00:50 +0200
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-27 10:55 +1000
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-27 03:16 +0200
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-27 19:47 +1000
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-27 09:30 +0200
        Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-26 23:54 +0200
          Re: Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-27 08:33 +1000
            Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-27 01:00 +0200
              Re: Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-27 11:01 +1000
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-27 03:19 +0200
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-27 19:53 +1000
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. Gerard Hermes <aluua@nwaau.fb> - 2017-09-27 10:39 +0000
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-27 09:46 +0200
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-28 09:09 +1000
                Re: Clarification Needed Please. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-28 02:48 +0200

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