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Re: The flaws of SR

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: The flaws of SR
Date 2017-09-14 09:06 -0500
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On 9/14/17 8:05 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 1:33:59 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/13/17 11:09 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 5:40:45 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 9/12/17 4:21 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 9:37:29 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/9/17 12:08 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 11:09:11 AM UTC-4, Dono, wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 7:04:06 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope....TWLS is based on the average of different one-way light speed. >Therefore you can’t claim that OWLS  is the same as TWLS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No one claims that , Shito.
>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>> Moron they claim that OWLS isotropy is the same as TWLS isotropy and therefore OWLS is equal to TWLS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, they claim that the speed of light is isotropic, PERIOD (no ow or tw
>>>>>> about it), and so it is algebraically impossible for OWLS to be
>>>>>> different than TWLS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>> Also OWLS isotropy cannot be determined in the lab. It must be measured over a long distance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What gives you this bright idea, Shito?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moron.....te Inverse Square Law. Gee you are stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why because distance will affect phase and doppler shifts due to the inverse square law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inverse square law has no bearing on phase or doppler shifts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you really think the speed of sound diminishes as it gets further
>>>>>> away from the source?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the speed of sound is:
>>>>> V_s = (wavelength)(frequency)
>>>>> As frequency decrease to zero with increasing distance you will not hear the sound from the source. A nine years old kid knows that.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, Ken. If the frequency diminishes with distance, then you think the
>>>> speed of the sound also slows?
>>>
>>> No moron woodworker.....the speed of sound wrt the air is unchanged.
>>
>> For the inverse square law, it doesn't matter whether the observer is
>> moving relative to the source or not. An observer twice as far away from
>> the source and STATIONARY relative to the source will experience
>> loudness that is one fourth as much.
>>
>> But you say the frequency decreases the further this observer stands.
> 
> I said: frequency will decrease as the source is moved away from the observer.......it will decrease to zero (he observer will not hear the sound at all) when the source is far away.

But the inverse square law doesn't matter whether the source is moving 
or not. All that matters is the distance.

> 
>>
>>> However, the speed of sound wrt you is higher or lower dependent on the direction of relative motion of the source wrt you.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A nine year old kid knows that to estimate how far away lightning is,
>>>> you count seconds between the light flash and the thunder and divide by
>>>> five. So if you count to five, it's a mile away. If you count to 10,
>>>> then it's 2 miles away. If you count to 25, it's five miles away.
>>>>
>>>> According to you, since the speed of sound diminishes as the square of
>>>> the distance, you'd have to count to 20 for a lightning strike that's
>>>> two miles away, because that's four times as much time (2 squared) as
>>>> what's needed for a strike one mile away.
>>>>
>>>> Nine-year-olds know better.
>>>>
>>>> It is utterly AMAZING to me what stupid things you are willing to say,
>>>> just to keep an argument going. Anything but silence, right Ken?
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>> Phase and frequency shifts do not affect speed, Shito.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moron.....they claimed that same phase or frequency for one-way light beam over a short distance in the lab means that OWLS isotropy is is the same as TWLS isotropy and thus the OWLS is the same as TWLS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


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Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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      Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 19:37 +0000
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    Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-02 09:39 -0700
      Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 12:03 -0500
        Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-03 08:08 -0700
          Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:48 -0500
            Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-05 07:00 -0700
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              Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 16:02 +0000
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                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-08 06:09 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-08 08:35 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-08 07:59 -0700
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                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 09:59 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 11:17 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-09 11:37 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Utorských Vitelé <hue@svwor.hh> - 2017-09-09 18:59 +0000
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                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-09 17:14 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-10 01:45 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-10 05:11 -0700
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                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 06:45 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-12 08:59 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 08:13 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 11:04 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:03 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:42 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:48 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:50 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-12 18:04 -0400
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 18:05 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 11:15 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:11 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:43 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-12 18:11 -0400
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 18:06 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-12 16:36 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 09:02 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Utorských Vitelé <hue@svwor.hh> - 2017-09-12 14:22 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:26 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 11:52 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-11 09:58 -0700
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                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 10:08 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-09-09 10:18 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 21:15 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 21:42 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-09-09 21:49 -0700
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                Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-11 18:21 +0200
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 11:48 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 15:35 -0700
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                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 11:02 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 13:54 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:45 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:21 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:40 -0500
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                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-14 05:56 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-14 15:15 +0200
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-21 12:09 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-21 20:14 +0000
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      Re: The flaws of SR Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-09-01 12:04 +0000
      Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-01 12:30 +0000
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