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Re: Arduino / compilers on uC

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Subject Re: Arduino / compilers on uC
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From "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au>
Message-ID <op.yva4sm0iwei6gd@fx-6300> (permalink)
Date 2017-02-08 06:35 +1000

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On Tue, 07 Feb 2017 12:51:02 +1000, <dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 9:45:30 PM UTC-5, David Eather wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Feb 2017 12:44:37 +1000, David Eather <eather@tpg.com.au>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 07 Feb 2017 09:43:44 +1000, <dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I've heard the kids here opine compilers are so good
>> >> these days that assembly makes no sense.
>> >>
>> >> There's lots to be said for high-level languages. But
>> >> I disassembled some Arduino code--here's the output to
>> >> write a port pin (a built-in function):
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 00001006 <digitalWrite>:
>> >>     1006:	90 e0       	ldi	r25, 0x00	; 0
>> >>     1008:	fc 01       	movw	r30, r24
>> >>     100a:	e3 52       	subi	r30, 0x23	; 35
>> >>     100c:	fd 4f       	sbci	r31, 0xFD	; 253
>> >>     100e:	34 91       	lpm	r19, Z
>> >>     1010:	fc 01       	movw	r30, r24
>> >>     1012:	e7 53       	subi	r30, 0x37	; 55
>> >>     1014:	fd 4f       	sbci	r31, 0xFD	; 253
>> >>     1016:	24 91       	lpm	r18, Z
>> >>     1018:	fc 01       	movw	r30, r24
>> >>     101a:	eb 54       	subi	r30, 0x4B	; 75
>> >>     101c:	fd 4f       	sbci	r31, 0xFD	; 253
>> >>     101e:	e4 91       	lpm	r30, Z
>> >>     1020:	ee 23       	and	r30, r30
>> >>     1022:	09 f4       	brne	.+2      	; 0x1026 <digitalWrite+0x20>
>> >>     1024:	3b c0       	rjmp	.+118    	; 0x109c <digitalWrite+0x96>
>> >>     1026:	33 23       	and	r19, r19
>> >>     1028:	39 f1       	breq	.+78     	; 0x1078 <digitalWrite+0x72>
>> >>     102a:	33 30       	cpi	r19, 0x03	; 3
>> >>     102c:	91 f0       	breq	.+36     	; 0x1052 <digitalWrite+0x4c>
>> >>     102e:	38 f4       	brcc	.+14     	; 0x103e <digitalWrite+0x38>
>> >>     1030:	31 30       	cpi	r19, 0x01	; 1
>> >>     1032:	a9 f0       	breq	.+42     	; 0x105e <digitalWrite+0x58>
>> >>     1034:	32 30       	cpi	r19, 0x02	; 2
>> >>     1036:	01 f5       	brne	.+64     	; 0x1078 <digitalWrite+0x72>
>> >>     1038:	84 b5       	in	r24, 0x24	; 36
>> >>     103a:	8f 7d       	andi	r24, 0xDF	; 223
>> >>     103c:	12 c0       	rjmp	.+36     	; 0x1062 <digitalWrite+0x5c>
>> >>     103e:	37 30       	cpi	r19, 0x07	; 7
>> >>     1040:	91 f0       	breq	.+36     	; 0x1066 <digitalWrite+0x60>
>> >>     1042:	38 30       	cpi	r19, 0x08	; 8
>> >>     1044:	a1 f0       	breq	.+40     	; 0x106e <digitalWrite+0x68>
>> >>     1046:	34 30       	cpi	r19, 0x04	; 4
>> >>     1048:	b9 f4       	brne	.+46     	; 0x1078 <digitalWrite+0x72>
>> >>     104a:	80 91 80 00 	lds	r24, 0x0080	; 0x800080
>> >> <__data_load_end+0x7fcf9e>
>> >>     104e:	8f 7d       	andi	r24, 0xDF	; 223
>> >>     1050:	03 c0       	rjmp	.+6      	; 0x1058 <digitalWrite+0x52>
>> >>     1052:	80 91 80 00 	lds	r24, 0x0080	; 0x800080
>> >> <__data_load_end+0x7fcf9e>
>> >>     1056:	8f 77       	andi	r24, 0x7F	; 127
>> >>     1058:	80 93 80 00 	sts	0x0080, r24	; 0x800080
>> >> <__data_load_end+0x7fcf9e>
>> >>     105c:	0d c0       	rjmp	.+26     	; 0x1078 <digitalWrite+0x72>
>> >>     105e:	84 b5       	in	r24, 0x24	; 36
>> >>     1060:	8f 77       	andi	r24, 0x7F	; 127
>> >>     1062:	84 bd       	out	0x24, r24	; 36
>> >>     1064:	09 c0       	rjmp	.+18     	; 0x1078 <digitalWrite+0x72>
>> >>     1066:	80 91 b0 00 	lds	r24, 0x00B0	; 0x8000b0
>> >> <__data_load_end+0x7fcfce>
>> >>     106a:	8f 77       	andi	r24, 0x7F	; 127
>> >>     106c:	03 c0       	rjmp	.+6      	; 0x1074 <digitalWrite+0x6e>
>> >>     106e:	80 91 b0 00 	lds	r24, 0x00B0	; 0x8000b0
>> >> <__data_load_end+0x7fcfce>
>> >>     1072:	8f 7d       	andi	r24, 0xDF	; 223
>> >>     1074:	80 93 b0 00 	sts	0x00B0, r24	; 0x8000b0
>> >> <__data_load_end+0x7fcfce>
>> >>     1078:	f0 e0       	ldi	r31, 0x00	; 0
>> >>     107a:	ee 0f       	add	r30, r30
>> >>     107c:	ff 1f       	adc	r31, r31
>> >>     107e:	e5 55       	subi	r30, 0x55	; 85
>> >>     1080:	fd 4f       	sbci	r31, 0xFD	; 253
>> >>     1082:	a5 91       	lpm	r26, Z+
>> >>     1084:	b4 91       	lpm	r27, Z
>> >>     1086:	8f b7       	in	r24, 0x3f	; 63
>> >>     1088:	f8 94       	cli
>> >>     108a:	ec 91       	ld	r30, X
>> >>     108c:	61 11       	cpse	r22, r1
>> >>     108e:	03 c0       	rjmp	.+6      	; 0x1096 <digitalWrite+0x90>
>> >>     1090:	20 95       	com	r18
>> >>     1092:	2e 23       	and	r18, r30
>> >>     1094:	01 c0       	rjmp	.+2      	; 0x1098 <digitalWrite+0x92>
>> >>     1096:	2e 2b       	or	r18, r30
>> >>     1098:	2c 93       	st	X, r18
>> >>     109a:	8f bf       	out	0x3f, r24	; 63
>> >>     109c:	08 95       	ret
>> >>
>> >> 60 lines.
>> >>
>> >> Assembly takes one or two lines, and is proportionally faster.
>> >>
>> >> Meanwhile, I just spent three days tracking down a compiler error--
>> >> the compiler insisted (0xff & 1) = 254.  It was no fun tracking down,
>> >> and ultimately took a workaround.
>> >
>> >
>> > On arduino that shouldn't that be (0xff && 1)?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Cute system, horrible documentation.  I'm afraid it sets a lot of  
>> kids
>> >> off on the wrong foot, hacking instead of thinking.
>> >>
>> >> YMMV.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> James Arthur
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
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>
> No, I was trying to mask the upper bits.  But logical operations
> didn't work either -- both 0xff and 0xfe are considered 'true' in
> most contexts.
>
> Cheers,
> James Arthur

yes - not 0 is true
-- 
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          Re: Arduino / compilers on uC Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-07 19:49 +1100
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                Re: Arduino / compilers on uC Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-09 08:31 +1100
                Re: Arduino / compilers on uC Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-09 08:21 +1100
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              Re: Arduino / compilers on uC Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-09 16:22 +0000
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                Re: Arduino / compilers on uC Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-10 09:11 +1100
                Re: Arduino / compilers on uC Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-09 22:45 +0000
                Re: Arduino / compilers on uC bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-15 10:11 -0500
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      Re: Arduino / compilers on uC Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-07 08:07 +0000
        Re: Arduino / compilers on uC rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 04:01 -0500
          Re: Arduino / compilers on uC Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-07 09:40 +0000
            Re: Arduino / compilers on uC rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 05:52 -0500
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                Re: Arduino / compilers on uC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-07 12:58 +0100
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  Re: Arduino / compilers on uC rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 19:49 -0500
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        Re: Arduino / compilers on uC "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au> - 2017-02-08 06:44 +1000
      Re: Arduino / compilers on uC M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> - 2017-02-07 17:11 -0500
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                Re: Arduino / compilers on uC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-17 23:28 +0100
                Re: Arduino / compilers on uC Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-17 10:21 -0500
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    Re: Arduino / compilers on uC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-13 16:28 +0100
  Re: Arduino / compilers on uC Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-02-14 09:59 -0600
    Re: Arduino / compilers on uC dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-02-14 13:46 -0800
      Re: Arduino / compilers on uC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-15 10:04 +0100
        Re: Arduino / compilers on uC dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-02-15 05:57 -0800
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            Re: Arduino / compilers on uC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-15 17:15 +0100
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