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Re: Has Apple's software quality declined?

From android <here@there.was>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Has Apple's software quality declined?
Date 2014-12-28 15:35 +0100
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:42:36 +0100, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz>  
wrote:

> bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-12-24 21:56:58 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said:
>>
>> > On 2014-12-24 01:46:35 +0000, Michael Vilain said:
>> >
>> >> And as JR says, most people haven't been around Macs long enough (e.g
>> >> since MacOS X) to form anything but "I remember this one time"
>> >> recollections.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure that we can just throw out the experiences of the what,
>> > tens of millions of Apple users who have been around since the Apple  
>> II
>> > days, into the Classic Mac OS days, and now through the OS X days.
>>
>> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II_series
>>
>> "By the end of production in 1993, somewhere between five and six
>> million Apple II series computers (including about 1.25 million Apple
>> IIGS models) had been produced."
>>
>> While it is possible that the average Apple II was used by 4 people, I
>> doubt that enough users of the Apple II remained loyal to the brand
>> through the dark days of the mid 1990s to form a consistent and firm
>> base of experience to draw on for the evolution of Apple software
>> development for such people to be counted in the "tens of millions".
>
> Especially given the number of Apple II users who were disappointed with
> Apple abandoning their platform and preferring a more open environment,
> went to IBM PC clones and something like MS-DOS, Windows or Linux,
> rather than the Macintosh.
>
> Some of them may have eventually come "back" to the Macintosh.

One would think that a *NIX system would be more attractive to a  
commandline cp/m user than the original Macintosh. The cats and cattle are  
*NIX systems under the hood and would therefore be more attractive to some  
Apple II enthusiasts.
>
> Given the number of times Apple has highlighted that more than 50% of
> Mac sales via their retail stores are to new Mac users, it would be fair
> to say that those who used Classic Mac OS are a small minority among the
> current Mac OS X user base. Apple II users who came through Classic Mac
> OS and are now running Mac OS X will be an even smaller minority.

One would expect new users to go to the store and recurring ones to  
replenish their supply online.
>
> In fact, I'd expect that those who have used PowerPC Macs are a minority
> among current Mac users, since most of the growth in Mac sales came
> after the Intel transition.
>
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Has Apple's software quality declined? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2014-12-22 12:24 -0700
  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-22 15:11 -0500
  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-22 20:12 +0000
    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-22 16:04 -0500
      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-22 22:50 +0000
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-22 19:07 -0500
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-23 04:49 +0000
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-22 22:51 -0500
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-23 04:46 +0000
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-23 00:43 -0500
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-23 14:39 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-12-26 19:39 -0500
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-27 01:44 +0000
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-12-23 04:37 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-25 00:03 +0000
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-12-23 17:46 -0800
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-24 04:36 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-24 14:39 +0000
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-24 13:56 -0800
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-24 22:09 +0000
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-24 18:40 -0500
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 15:09 +0000
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-25 09:33 -0700
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 16:38 +0000
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-25 09:46 -0700
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2014-12-28 09:19 +0000
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-12-29 02:42 +1300
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? android <here@there.was> - 2014-12-28 15:35 +0100
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-12-29 10:57 +1300
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-12-28 07:43 -0800
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-28 08:49 -0700
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-12-28 11:26 -0800
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-28 20:11 +0000
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-28 19:35 +0000
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-28 13:05 -0700
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-12-29 10:57 +1300
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-28 17:23 -0500
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-12-29 22:59 -0500
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-30 09:42 +0000
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? android <here@there.was> - 2014-12-30 12:44 +0100
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-12-30 14:09 -0500
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? android <here@there.was> - 2014-12-30 20:51 +0100
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-28 17:55 -0500
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 13:03 -0800
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-30 22:20 +0000
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            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-25 17:07 -0500
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 22:38 +0000
              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-26 09:05 -0500
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-26 17:01 +0000
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                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-27 04:26 -0500
                Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-27 14:45 +0000
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      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-24 04:34 +0000
        Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-23 23:46 -0500
          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2014-12-24 05:22 +0000
            Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-24 07:55 -0500
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          Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 03:04 +0000
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              Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-25 17:29 +0000
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  Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-24 00:42 -0800
    Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-24 03:58 -0500
      Re: Has Apple's software quality declined? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-24 13:52 -0800
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