Re: Apple's top secret Swift language

From	"Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Apple's top secret Swift language
Date	2014-07-22 04:10 -0400
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 02:21:45 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/22/2014 12:49 AM, Ron Aaron wrote:
>> On 07/22/2014 03:16 AM, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:
>>> On 6/6/14 3:30 PM, VisualForth.com wrote:
>>>> Is Apple's top secret Swift language Swift Forth?

>>> We (FORTH, Inc.) are wondering how much confusion there actually is or
>>> may be regarding these names. It sounds as though several of you were,
>>> in fact, wondering about this. What do you hear from your colleages or
>>> friends about this?
>>
>> Really?
>>
>> Is there more than a handful of people who are confused by this?
>>
>> It's not like Apple's Swift resembles any Forth at all, let alone Swift
>> Forth.
>
> But until you take a look at the Apple project you don't know.  The  
> issue is whether anyone would be confused by Apple's use of the name.  I  
> can see where someone would know about the Apple use of the name "Swift"  
> for a language and would assume the Forth Inc product is a derivative of  
> that rather than a totally independent product.  Very likely they would  
> not dig any further in exploring the Forth Inc product.
>
> I don't see how Apple can think there wouldn't be a problem for Forth  
> Inc.  On the other hand, I can see where it might generate a lot of  
> contacts for Forth Inc, but then that may not be good if the contacts  
> have no interest at all in SwiftForth.  Someone once said there is no  
> such thing as bad publicity.  :)
>

I can see where someone would know about the use of the name apple to
represent the common fruit and might be confused with Apple's use of
apple ...

Is confusion the only grounds for infringement?  Does use of a word
by protected by a government on behalf of a commercial company entirely
prohibit it's use by others?  How common can a name be and still be
protected?

There is nothing wrong with having an a car, washer, dryer, fruit juice,
etc by companies named Apple which aren't the Apple computer company.
If they're not in the same industry in the same country, it makes no
difference.

So, this conversation is entirely ludicrous.  I.e., in this case the
presence and absence of "Forth" might be sufficient legal grounds to
differentiate the two.

There are numerous examples where U.S. corporations have used the
same word or words in their product names and trademarked phrases.
E.g., Acme as a corporate name.

Rod Pemberton

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Apple's top secret Swift language "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-06-06 18:30 -0700
  Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-06 15:47 -1000
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-06-06 18:55 -0700
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 05:12 -0700
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-07 10:58 -0700
        Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 11:11 -0700
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 18:06 -0400
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Zbigniew <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2014-06-08 09:00 +0000
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 14:46 -0700
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-07 15:05 -0700
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-07 18:30 -0700
  Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-06 22:41 -0400
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-07 02:20 -0400
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 04:20 -0400
        Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-07 07:04 -0400
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-06-07 15:05 +0200
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 06:43 -0700
        Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 09:58 -0400
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-06-07 11:14 -0700
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 18:15 -0400
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-08 22:46 -0700
        Re: Apple's top secret Swift language albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-09 13:12 +0000
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 14:13 -0400
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-09 12:48 -1000
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 20:49 -0400
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-09 18:54 -0700
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-09 18:41 -0700
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 20:05 -0700
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language anonymous <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-10 00:21 -0400
              Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-09 18:43 -1000
                Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-10 01:31 -0400
                Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-10 15:55 -0700
                Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-10 16:32 -0700
                Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-10 16:49 -0700
                Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-10 16:28 -1000
                Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-11 18:51 -0400
                Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-11 19:22 -0700
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-11 20:10 -0700
  Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2014-06-10 00:37 +0000
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-06-10 09:17 +0400
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language babruehl@gmail.com - 2014-06-11 20:14 -0700
        Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-11 20:48 -0700
        Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-12 01:24 -0400
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-11 20:28 -1000
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-06-12 12:00 +0100
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-06-12 15:06 +0200
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-12 13:22 -0400
  Re: Apple's top secret Swift language visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-07-16 13:34 -0700
  Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-21 14:16 -1000
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-21 21:39 -0700
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 07:49 +0300
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 02:21 -0400
        Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-07-22 04:10 -0400
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-21 22:09 -1000
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "VisualFORTH.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-07-23 18:59 -0700
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-21 21:11 -1000
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2014-07-22 11:23 +0200
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Buz Powers <wpowers@ll.mit.edu> - 2014-07-24 10:58 -0400
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-07-25 11:35 -0700

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