Re: Apple's top secret Swift language

From	"Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Apple's top secret Swift language
Date	2014-06-11 18:51 -0400
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:32:41 -0400, Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Why should they fix bugs in an old version that they've probably already  
> fixed in the new one?

You paid for the old version.  It's defective.  It's the company's job
to fix it.  That's the customer's perspective.  It's also a cliche for
companies to say: "The customer is always right."  But, companies also
fail to: "Eat their own dog food."  That, of course, includes their
philosophies on the customer, such as: "The customer is always right".
In time, that cliche becomes: "Screw thy customer."  Hence, the "right"
to charge customers for upgrades or non-warranty repairs which fix
products that were defective when originally sold.  Such products are
called "lemons" in other industries.

In more depth, the issue is whether software should be treated as an
intangible product owned by the company that is licensed for use by
the consumer, as it is now, or whether software should be treated like
a physical product which is sold the consumer, such as candy or a car,
that is expected to be free of defects or if not, fixed or replaced.

Treating software as an intangible was fine during the development
of the software industry in the U.S. while it was still an
insignificant portion of the economy, but today, software is a major
component of the retail industry.  The software industry is developed
enough today that their products should have the same standards of
quality that physical products do  I.e., if it has defects, it's the
company's responsibility to fix it.

Rod Pemberton
P.S. I'm disregarding the Hugh aspects of this.  He could've coded
something useful in the time he's spent on rants which are ancient
history, that no one cares about, which are unlikely to be resolved.

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Apple's top secret Swift language "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-06-06 18:30 -0700
  Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-06 15:47 -1000
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-06-06 18:55 -0700
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 05:12 -0700
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-07 10:58 -0700
        Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 11:11 -0700
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 18:06 -0400
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Zbigniew <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2014-06-08 09:00 +0000
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 14:46 -0700
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-07 15:05 -0700
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-07 18:30 -0700
  Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-06 22:41 -0400
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-07 02:20 -0400
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 04:20 -0400
        Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-07 07:04 -0400
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-06-07 15:05 +0200
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 06:43 -0700
        Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 09:58 -0400
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-06-07 11:14 -0700
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 18:15 -0400
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-08 22:46 -0700
        Re: Apple's top secret Swift language albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-09 13:12 +0000
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 14:13 -0400
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-09 12:48 -1000
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 20:49 -0400
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-09 18:54 -0700
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-09 18:41 -0700
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 20:05 -0700
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language anonymous <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-10 00:21 -0400
              Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-09 18:43 -1000
                Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-10 01:31 -0400
                Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-10 15:55 -0700
                Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-10 16:32 -0700
                Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-10 16:49 -0700
                Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-10 16:28 -1000
                Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-11 18:51 -0400
                Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-11 19:22 -0700
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-11 20:10 -0700
  Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2014-06-10 00:37 +0000
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-06-10 09:17 +0400
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language babruehl@gmail.com - 2014-06-11 20:14 -0700
        Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-11 20:48 -0700
        Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-12 01:24 -0400
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-11 20:28 -1000
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-06-12 12:00 +0100
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-06-12 15:06 +0200
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-12 13:22 -0400
  Re: Apple's top secret Swift language visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-07-16 13:34 -0700
  Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-21 14:16 -1000
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-21 21:39 -0700
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 07:49 +0300
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 02:21 -0400
        Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-07-22 04:10 -0400
          Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-21 22:09 -1000
            Re: Apple's top secret Swift language "VisualFORTH.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-07-23 18:59 -0700
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-21 21:11 -1000
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2014-07-22 11:23 +0200
    Re: Apple's top secret Swift language Buz Powers <wpowers@ll.mit.edu> - 2014-07-24 10:58 -0400
      Re: Apple's top secret Swift language visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-07-25 11:35 -0700

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