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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | rec.food.cooking, aus.politics, alt.food.vegan |
| Subject | Re: Yay, faux meat! |
| Date | 2026-07-02 07:18 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <op.3rsv5lq1byq249@pvr2.lan> (permalink) |
| References | (6 earlier) <20260629161708.3d8124d5@z-z> <lnj84ld37uqdfmir895cekqhrg9km5514k@4ax.com> <op.3rraf6fmbyq249@pvr2.lan> <20260701091103.7c2cb859@z-z> <ghva4lds303k7i20ev997d6nd2b4523vo3@4ax.com> |
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Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote > squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote >> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote >>>>>> So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way? >>>>> Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"? >>>>> Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the >>>>> cold frig before being boiled alive sound human? >>>>> What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard? >>>> I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of >>>> meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its >>>> volume. >>> Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume >> Well no, it merely perforates it. > The AI robot has vindicated me, saying these's no change in the > volume... YOU claimed it increases the volume liar > Hi, what effect does mechanical tenderizing have on meat? > Mechanical tenderizing changes meat by physically breaking down some > of its structure, making it easier to chew and sometimes changing how > it cooks. > The main effects are: > * **Breaks muscle fibers:** Blades, needles, or pounding disrupt long > muscle fibers, reducing toughness. > * **Cuts connective tissue:** The process severs some collagen-rich > connective tissue, which contributes to a more tender texture, > especially in tougher cuts. > * **Improves marinade penetration:** Needle or blade tenderizing > creates small channels that allow marinades, seasonings, and brines to > penetrate deeper into the meat. > * **Can improve cooking consistency:** Heat can move more evenly > through the meat because of the small channels created, although the > effect is usually modest. > There are a few trade-offs: > * **Food safety:** If bacteria are present on the surface of the meat, > blade or needle tenderizing can push them into the interior. That's > why mechanically tenderized beef should generally be cooked to a > higher internal temperature than an intact steak. In some countries, > mechanically tenderized beef is labeled to inform consumers. > * **Texture changes:** Over-tenderizing can make meat feel mushy or > give it a slightly processed texture, particularly with repeated > passes through a tenderizer. > * **Appearance:** Needle or blade marks may be visible on the surface, > and pounding can flatten and widen the cut. > There are several common methods: > * **Needle or blade tenderizing:** Uses many small blades or needles > to cut through muscle fibers and connective tissue while largely > preserving the meat's overall shape. > * **Pounding:** A meat mallet physically flattens the meat and breaks > down fibers. > * **Cubing:** A machine with textured rollers produces the > characteristic cube pattern seen on cube steak. > Mechanical tenderizing is especially useful for naturally tougher > cuts, such as chuck, round, or flank, while naturally tender cuts like > tenderloin usually don't benefit much from it unless the goal is to > create an even thickness for cooking. > AND VOLUME? > You're welcome! Mechanical tenderizing has a relatively small effect > on the **overall volume** of meat, but the direction and magnitude > depend on the method used. > * **Needle or blade tenderizing:** The volume changes very little. The > meat may become slightly more compressible because the muscle fibers > and connective tissue have been cut, but its external dimensions > remain almost the same. > * **Pounding with a mallet:** The meat becomes **thinner and wider**. > Its apparent surface area increases while its thickness decreases. The > total volume stays close to the same because the meat is being > reshaped rather than significantly compressed. > * **Cubing machines:** These create indentations and stretch the meat > slightly, so it may appear larger in surface area, but again the > actual volume changes very little. > One important indirect effect is on **water retention**: > See, and now Rod Smith might proffer a belly-crawl retraction, like > right now! Not when it proves you got it wrong, fuckwit
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Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-04 11:22 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> - 2026-07-04 20:47 -0400
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-01 13:28 -0600
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Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-01 09:20 -0600
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Re: Yay, faux meat! Ed Pawlowski <ed@fla.n> - 2026-07-01 14:52 -0400
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-01 13:32 -0600
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Re: Yay, faux meat! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:10 -0700
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-02 14:21 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:53 -0700
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-03 09:21 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-02 03:24 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Ed P <esp@snet.n> - 2026-07-01 15:46 -0400
Re: Yay, faux meat! Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-02 07:10 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-01 16:54 -0500
Re: Yay, faux meat! Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-02 07:58 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-01 18:18 -0500
Re: Yay, faux meat! Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-02 09:59 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-07-03 01:54 +0000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Ed P <esp@snet.n> - 2026-07-02 23:09 -0400
Re: Yay, faux meat! Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-07-03 07:48 +0000
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-01 09:19 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-07-03 01:48 +0000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 12:02 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-07-03 07:37 +0000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 18:11 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Ed P <esp@snet.n> - 2026-07-02 23:04 -0400
Re: Yay, faux meat! Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-07-03 08:17 +0000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 18:35 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> - 2026-07-03 09:14 +0000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 19:17 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-07-03 09:25 +0000
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Re: Yay, faux meat! Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-07-03 09:28 +0000
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-03 09:20 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-03 09:19 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-07-05 02:38 +0000
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-03 09:17 -0600
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Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-04 10:21 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-03 18:12 -0500
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-04 10:43 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-04 10:16 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-03 09:07 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> - 2026-07-03 21:42 +0000
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-04 10:09 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> - 2026-07-01 09:37 +0000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-01 19:43 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-01 09:18 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> - 2026-06-29 14:08 -0400
Re: Yay, faux meat! Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-30 05:57 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Max Milyon <invalid@in.valid> - 2026-06-29 16:17 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-07-01 09:26 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-06-30 17:49 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 10:32 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-07-01 11:16 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 11:45 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-07-01 13:54 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 16:09 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-01 17:19 +0100
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-01 09:12 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-01 09:11 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-07-02 06:56 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-02 07:18 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-07-02 08:54 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-02 10:29 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-02 14:11 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 07:18 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-07-03 09:07 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 09:37 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-07-03 10:05 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 11:24 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-03 09:05 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-03 09:22 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 02:25 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-03 13:31 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-06 09:02 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-03 09:00 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 02:24 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-03 13:29 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 09:45 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-04 10:44 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-06 09:02 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 10:01 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 11:07 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 12:34 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 14:35 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-04 10:49 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-05 03:51 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-04 13:54 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-05 10:19 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-05 06:12 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Ed P <esp@snet.n> - 2026-07-05 08:44 -0400
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-05 09:02 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Ed P <esp@snet.n> - 2026-07-05 11:11 -0400
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-05 12:38 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Ed P <esp@snet.n> - 2026-07-05 15:08 -0400
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-05 13:23 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Ed P <esp@snet.n> - 2026-07-05 17:15 -0400
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-05 15:38 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! Ed P <esp@snet.n> - 2026-07-05 18:33 -0400
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-05 22:30 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-06 08:59 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 08:36 +1000
Re: Yay, faux meat! Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-07-06 10:08 +1000
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Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-02 14:09 -0600
Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 07:16 +1000
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