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Re: Yay, faux meat!

From Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
Newsgroups rec.food.cooking, aus.politics, alt.food.vegan
Subject Re: Yay, faux meat!
Date 2026-07-02 06:56 +1000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 09:11:03 -0600, squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 10:32:20 +1000
>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>> 
>> >>> So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?  
>> 
>> >> Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?  
>> 
>> >> Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the
>> >> cold frig before being boiled alive sound human?  
>> 
>> >> What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?  
>> 
>> > I feel your pain.  Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
>> > meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its
>> > volume.  
>> 
>> Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume
>
>Well no, it merely perforates it.
>
The AI robot has vindicated me, saying these's no change in the
volume...

Hi, what effect does mechanical tenderizing have on meat?

Mechanical tenderizing changes meat by physically breaking down some
of its structure, making it easier to chew and sometimes changing how
it cooks.

The main effects are:

* **Breaks muscle fibers:** Blades, needles, or pounding disrupt long
muscle fibers, reducing toughness.
* **Cuts connective tissue:** The process severs some collagen-rich
connective tissue, which contributes to a more tender texture,
especially in tougher cuts.
* **Improves marinade penetration:** Needle or blade tenderizing
creates small channels that allow marinades, seasonings, and brines to
penetrate deeper into the meat.
* **Can improve cooking consistency:** Heat can move more evenly
through the meat because of the small channels created, although the
effect is usually modest.

There are a few trade-offs:

* **Food safety:** If bacteria are present on the surface of the meat,
blade or needle tenderizing can push them into the interior. That's
why mechanically tenderized beef should generally be cooked to a
higher internal temperature than an intact steak. In some countries,
mechanically tenderized beef is labeled to inform consumers.
* **Texture changes:** Over-tenderizing can make meat feel mushy or
give it a slightly processed texture, particularly with repeated
passes through a tenderizer.
* **Appearance:** Needle or blade marks may be visible on the surface,
and pounding can flatten and widen the cut.

There are several common methods:

* **Needle or blade tenderizing:** Uses many small blades or needles
to cut through muscle fibers and connective tissue while largely
preserving the meat's overall shape.
* **Pounding:** A meat mallet physically flattens the meat and breaks
down fibers.
* **Cubing:** A machine with textured rollers produces the
characteristic cube pattern seen on cube steak.

Mechanical tenderizing is especially useful for naturally tougher
cuts, such as chuck, round, or flank, while naturally tender cuts like
tenderloin usually don't benefit much from it unless the goal is to
create an even thickness for cooking.

AND VOLUME?
You're welcome! Mechanical tenderizing has a relatively small effect
on the **overall volume** of meat, but the direction and magnitude
depend on the method used.

* **Needle or blade tenderizing:** The volume changes very little. The
meat may become slightly more compressible because the muscle fibers
and connective tissue have been cut, but its external dimensions
remain almost the same.
* **Pounding with a mallet:** The meat becomes **thinner and wider**.
Its apparent surface area increases while its thickness decreases. The
total volume stays close to the same because the meat is being
reshaped rather than significantly compressed.
* **Cubing machines:** These create indentations and stretch the meat
slightly, so it may appear larger in surface area, but again the
actual volume changes very little.

One important indirect effect is on **water retention**:


See, and now Rod Smith might proffer a belly-crawl retraction, like
right now!

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                Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-06-30 17:49 -0600
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                Re: Yay, faux meat! Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-07-02 06:56 +1000
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                Re: Yay, faux meat! Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-07-02 08:54 +1000
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                Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-02 14:11 -0600
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                Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 09:37 +1000
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                Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-03 09:22 -0600
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                Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-03 09:00 -0600
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                Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-03 13:29 -0600
                Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 09:45 +1000
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                Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 14:35 +1000
                Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-04 10:49 -0600
                Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-05 03:51 +1000
                Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-04 13:54 -0600
                Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-05 10:19 +1000
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