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Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy?

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy?
Date 2017-09-04 14:44 -0500
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On 9/4/17 8:41 AM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 6:53:41 PM UTC+5:30, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <alal65536@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> GR fails in the ultra large scale.  As far as I know, only GR requires
>>> dark matter.  Other than that there is no evidence for dark matter.  I
>>> would rather have GR a failure to scale, than believe in dark matter.
>>
>> Why? And why should this be settled by personal preference?
>> And what's your alternative?
> 
> Many scientists use their intuition initially to help them.  Then they verify their theories with data.
> 
> There doesn't have to be an alternative.  Ultra large scale behaviour may be unpredictable to ordinary humans.

I'm not keen on your defense of "gut-feel" physics. That only works for 
people well trained in the field.

I'm also not keen on your "I'm not on a campaign to find an answer, I'm 
on a campaign to cast doubt on current attempts at an answer" approach 
to things.

> 
>>
>>> Has any work been done on alternative theories of gravitation that do not
>>> require dark matter?
>>
>> Yes, of course. Google is your friend.
>>
>>>
>>> I believe dark energy is what is accelerating the expansion of the
>>> universe.  Does GR require dark energy to explain why the universe is
>>> accelerating its expansion?  Has any work been done on alternative
>>> theories that do not require dark energy?
>>
>> Dark energy is consistent with GR, but GR doesn't predict it, any more than
>> GR predicts the amount or distribution of ordinary matter. Why would it?
> 
> Doesn't GR require dark energy to explain the accelerating expansion of the universe?

To explain it, yes. However, what you're talking about is a fit to data, 
not an ab initio prediction of the theory itself.

Newton's second law doesn't predict what forces are in play, but it can 
tell you about a force you didn't previously take into account, by 
fitting to the observed acceleration.

> 
> Abhinav Lal
> Writer & Investor
>>
>>>
>>> Abhinav Lal
>>> Writer & Investor
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? alal65536@gmail.com - 2017-09-04 04:24 -0700
  Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 13:23 +0000
    Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? alal65536@gmail.com - 2017-09-04 06:41 -0700
      Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 14:44 -0500
        Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 12:52 -0700
          Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 00:26 +0000
          Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 15:50 +0000
            Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:56 -0700
              Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 17:12 +0000
                Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 12:37 -0700
                Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 20:17 +0000
                Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 08:38 -0500
                Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 09:12 -0700
                Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 12:49 -0500
                Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-06 19:08 +0000
                Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 14:20 -0500
                Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-09-06 14:24 -0500
                Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 12:27 -0700
                Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 14:49 -0500
                Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 15:00 -0500
                Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-07 19:51 +0000
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  Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 06:26 -0700
    Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? alal65536@gmail.com - 2017-09-06 22:08 -0700
      Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-07 15:25 -0500
      Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-09-08 08:47 -0700
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            Re: Christianity is wrong, but useful. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 07:39 -0700
  Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Simon Roberts <retenshun@gmail.com> - 2017-09-07 09:28 -0700
    Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Simon Roberts <retenshun@gmail.com> - 2017-09-07 09:35 -0700
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