Re: I figured out charge

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: I figured out charge
Date	2017-08-15 15:21 -0500
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On 8/15/17 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Odd
>> "
>>> A short time ago, you were arguing that star-arms couldn't be staying
>>> together as they orbit galaxies. Rainer Beck has shown that they have a
>>> helical magnetic field-
>>
>> Yes we know about those magnetic fields which are too weak to affect the
>> stars much.  You were saying that you had some evidence that the stars are
>> somehow confined to the arms? Let's hear that!
>> "
>> You said the arms don't stay as a unit.
>> NOW "we" know about the fields.
>> (Thanks to Rainer Beck)
>> Tell me- is the field an optical illusion?
>> Does it travel around the galaxy as a unit?
>> You say it doesn't "affect much". What do you base THAT statement on?
>> Wishful, wishful thinking?
>> Don't you want to know more about the fields?
>> I think not- because they show you to be wrong when you say the arms
>> aren't entities. Like electrons.
>>
> 
> John, a field does not mean the arms are segregated and does not mean that
> stars don't migrate from one arm to the next. Pay attention. Water waves on
> the ocean sometimes feature whitecaps, just like galactic arms sometimes
> feature fields. One wave is distinct from the next wave, just like one arm
> is distinct from the next wave.  But there is no void of water between the
> waves, just like there is no void of stars and matter between galactic
> arms. And a chunk of water in one wave will then migrate to the next wave,
> just like stars migrate from one arm to the next in a galaxy.
> 
> Now stop there a second and breathe. What is the implication of matter
> between galactic arms, and stars migrating from one arm to the next?
> 
> Would you even DREAM of claiming that ocean waves are alternating matter
> and antimatter? Would you claim this idea is supported by ocean waves being
> distinct entities with whitecaps? Hmmm?
> 

John, one more follow-up here, and here again I'm going to try to teach 
you something about science.

Hypotheses have implications that can be compared to observations. For a 
hypothesis to survive, every single firm implication has to match 
observations.

You have a tendency to say, "I have this idea M that explains why we see 
X." The problem is that you do not see that M also has a firm prediction 
Y and Z that observations are inconsistent with. Your response is to 
say, "Hey don't focus on the negative, I've got an answer for X!" But a 
real scientist will say, "Yeah, but it's still no good because it's 
ruled out by those Y and Z predictions that don't pan out."

Remember, in science, the main focus is trying to shoot DOWN an idea by 
seeing where data might conflict with the idea. The primary activity of 
a scientist who has an idea is to see if the idea survives all attempts 
to kill it. And the one who is trying to kill it is the guy with the idea.

This is what you don't get.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:28 -0500
                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:27 -0500
                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:27 -0500
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                Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-16 15:23 +0000
                Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-13 01:06 +0000
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                Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-13 01:01 +0000
                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 10:42 -0500
                Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-13 02:27 +0000
                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 19:55 -0700
                Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 19:59 -0700
                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 20:12 -0700
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                Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-13 01:11 +0000
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