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Re: On attraction between atoms, electrons as rubber bands, and powerful stuff

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On 7/30/17 9:51 AM, john wrote:
> MM
> "
> Google "van der Waals force" and "London force". "
> 
> Ah, forces and fields.
> How many are there?
> Are they all different?
> Some the same but measured differently?

They're all different fields.
There's an electron field, a neutrino field, a Z field, an up quark 
field, an electromagnetic field, a Higgs field, and a number of others.

Each of these fields has quanta. That is, the electron field can have a 
lot of electron quanta in it, which is what we call the electron 
"particles".

What distinguishes them are three things:
1. Whether they are fermion or boson fields, which tells you how the 
quanta behave together. For example, fermions with similar "state 
values" (see 3) tend to avoid each other; bosons tend to clump together.
2. What interactions they participate in. For example, electrons 
participate in the electromagnetic and weak interactions; neutrinos 
participate in the weak interaction but not the electromagnetic. We call 
that property of participating in an interaction X as having an X 
charge. So neutrinos have a weak charge. Electrons have a weak charge 
and an electromagnetic charge.
3. What state values they exhibit. These are other properties, some 
quantized, some not, that are used to distinguish them. Rest mass, spin, 
baryon number are good examples.

So the current view of how the universe is not so much about "things" as 
it is about this assemblage of a reasonably small number of interacting 
fields.

What you are habitually used to thinking of an "apple" is just one 
configuration of interacting quark, lepton, and bosonic fields, while a 
shopping cart is just another configuration of the same interacting fields.

When you look at the world this way, there isn't really a fundamental 
separation between a shopping cart and an apple, other than the 
arbitrary line drawn by our sensory conventions. Likewise, aliens 
landing on earth would see no fundamental separation between, say, Korea 
and France, and any distinction or boundary or separate would be wholly 
manmade artifice.

> 
> How many do you have in your theory (ies)?
> More than two?
> More than ten?
> 
> You're not just bean-counters masquerading as scientists, are you?
> 


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Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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