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Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O
Date 2017-08-02 10:09 -0500
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On 7/28/17 4:52 PM, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 1:58:31 PM UTC-4, James McGinn wrote:
>> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:45:48 AM UTC-7, Edward Prochak wrote:
>>
>>>>> Notice it says
>>>>> "At any point on one of these curves, the two phases on
>>>>>   either side of the curve are in equilibrium (or coexist)
>>>>>   with one another."
>>>>
>>>> Right, it just means that on the boundary the phases are
>>>> in equillibrium.  But that is irrelevant because 50C and
>>>> 1 ATM IS NOT ON THE BOUNDARY.
>>>
>>> Then you are reading a point that is NOT in equilibrium.
>>
>> Correct! That's what I just said, you fucking retard. 50C and 1 ATM IS NOT ON THE BOUNDARY. It is, unequivocally liquid.
> 
> Perhaps for an instant. But the system will then move toward equilibrium,
> meaning part of the water will evaporate to a gas to form the vapor pressure
> at that temperature.
>   
>>
>> It's fucking right there plain as day.  There is nothing to discuss or debate.
>>
>> The "equillibrium" here is between phases.  IOW, along
>> the bounDary of the different colors it is in equillibrum BETWEEN PHASES.
> 
> So you see you do admit gas and liquid water can exist at the same time.
> 
> But for the non-equilibrium areas, you are only right for an instant.
> 
>>
>> This is a trivial artifact that you trolls are blowing all out of proportion.
>>
>> Go find another hobby, you [bleep]ing troll.
> 
> You must be REALLY frustrated since you always seem to have to resort to foul language. You are a very unhappy person.

I think it must be very frustrating to him that the phase diagram means 
a little more than what he took it to mean at first and simple 
inspection. It is the hallmark of the crank to then blame those who 
presented it to him in the first place for not being absolutely plain 
about all the subtleties, lest he misinterpret. He wants it to be as 
trivially simple as he thinks it is.

If the crank is allowed to misinterpret, then it is the fault of the 
teacher, not the student -- so the crank will say.

The irony is that Jim McGinn is happy to tell anyone who will listen 
that water is understood by no one, that it is terrifically complicated 
to the point where all claims of understanding are pure and utter 
bullshit. But tell him that his vast oversimplification of what the 
phase diagram represents is wrong, and that it's actually a bit more 
complicated, and he throws a screaming hissy-fit.


> 
> Try this: explain what exist at the triple point!
> 
> Your pal,
> ed  8^)
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 18:46 -0700
  Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 02:27 +0000
    Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 19:38 -0700
    Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 02:52 +0000
      Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 19:57 -0700
        Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 11:40 +0000
      Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 23:56 -0700
    Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2017-07-28 10:37 +0000
      Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 09:54 -0700
        Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2017-07-29 16:29 +0000
          Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-29 09:52 -0700
            Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-29 21:03 -0700
          Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 13:51 -0700
          Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 13:54 -0700
      Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 11:40 +0000
        Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 09:57 -0700
          Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-07-31 12:07 -0700
            Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-31 21:01 -0500
    Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-04 13:36 -0500
  Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 19:52 -0700
    Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 22:22 -0700
    Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 05:35 -0700
      Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 09:59 -0700
        Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 10:45 -0700
          Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 10:58 -0700
            Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 14:52 -0700
              Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 15:38 -0700
                Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 10:53 -0700
                Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 11:47 -0700
                Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 10:17 -0500
                Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 10:16 -0700
                Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 15:37 -0700
                Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 11:10 -0700
              Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-28 18:26 -0500
              Re: Often, fantasy is preferable to the truth, more productive. Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 16:28 -0700
              Re: Often, fantasy is preferable to the truth, more productive. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-28 19:51 -0400
              Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 10:09 -0500
                Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 10:16 -0700
                Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 18:48 +0000
                Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 17:32 -0700
          Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-28 13:06 -0500
            Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-28 13:32 -0500
              Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 12:53 -0700
      Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 15:25 -0700
      Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-04 13:34 -0500
  Re: Simple Question About Phase Diagram of H2O Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 22:22 -0700

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