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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory |
| Date | 2017-08-02 13:40 +0000 |
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"HGW..." <hgw@....> writes: >On 01/08/17 13:36, Michael Moroney wrote: >> "HGW..." <hgw@....> writes: >> >>> On 31/07/17 02:46, Paul B. Andersen wrote: >> >>>> SR and LET are not the same theory, but in flat space-time >>>> they will predict exactly the same for all experiments. >> >>> They predict the same because they ARE the same. >> >> No, Ralph, they are not the same at all. LET explicitly uses an aether, >> for one, while SR explicitly excludes the aether. That by itself is a >> rather big difference, Ralph. >'superfluous' certainly does not mean 'excluded'. Ralph, it means that it doesn't apply to his theory, his theory doesn't depend on it and it isn't affected by it. It is true that Einstein didn't explicitly state "There is no aether!" at the time, he just stated that his theory had nothing to do with any aether, Ralph. Ralph, the only mention of any aether in his SR paper was at the beginning where he stated it was superfluous and would not be used. Ralph, as much as you want to revive discredited aether theories and blame them on Einstein (that's projection), it's simply not going to work. Einstein's SR doesn't need or use any aether, according to Einstein himself. >>> How could they NOT be the same when Einstein's postulates are nothing >>> but Lorentz's conclusions? Einstein merely wrote LET backwards. >> >> They are not Lorentz's conclusions, Ralph. >There are no references to any experiments or measurements in his 1905 >paper. Maybe you are referring to the fact that Einstein clearly did not >understand the difference between OWLS and TWLS. Ralph, Einstein's postulates were based on observations, not on the LET conclusions. Ralph, one postulate is the laws of physics are the same in all inertial frames, Ralph. This was based on observation and scientists were quite certain it was true but weren't sure why. The second postulate was that the speed of light was the same for all observers. This was also an observation and was predicted by Maxwell's equations (for electromagnetic phenomena). Ralph, perhaps you should whine that Einstein's SR was based on Maxwell's equations and Maxwell's prediction of a constant c for all observers. >> The laws of physics >> were observed as not depending on where you are or how fast you are moving >> inertially, and every experiment, even back then, shows the speed of light >> is always a constant (plus Maxwell's Equations predict that very same >> constant) >HAHHAHHAHHAH! I knew you were stupid Moron-y but I didn't realize how >badly you were afflicted. The LAWS have nothing to do with the VALUES. No, Ralph, the LAWS are the same. Things like F=ma (a law of physics) are the same for all inertial frames, no matter what the origin or motion of the frame is.
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Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-30 10:25 +1000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-30 01:56 +0000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-30 19:35 +1000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-09 03:18 +0000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-09 20:55 +1000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory Jeèným Ludnými <hovae@ieuuio.org> - 2017-07-30 10:49 +0000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-07-30 21:30 +0200
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-30 18:46 +0200
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-31 12:13 +1000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-01 03:36 +0000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-02 08:49 +1000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-02 13:40 +0000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 09:19 -0500
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-02 10:00 -0700
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-03 01:38 +0200
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-04 12:51 +1000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-01 11:47 -0400
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-02 08:42 +1000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-01 15:58 -0700
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-02 13:19 +0000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-08-01 12:39 -0700
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Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-07 10:47 -0700
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-08 08:52 +1000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-08 11:14 -0700
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-08 11:18 -0700
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-08-07 12:29 -0700
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Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 23:34 -0500
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-09 20:57 +1000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 09:39 -0500
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-10 08:22 +1000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 23:50 +0000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-11 08:27 +1000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 19:14 -0500
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-12 07:37 +1000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 21:56 -0500
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-16 20:05 +1000
Re: Why SR and LET are the Same Theory Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 14:48 -0500
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