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Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error.

From "HGW..." <hgw@....>
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Subject Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error.
Date 2017-06-29 09:43 +1000
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On 28/06/17 23:54, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 28.06.2017 01.03, skrev HGW...:

>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/PPN_gamma_Hipparcos.pdf
>>>> and how those estimates, misinterpretations,
>>>> vagaries and educated guesses are used to come up with an answer
>>>> you claim is wrong.
>>>>
>>>> To do so, you obviously have to read the paper and refer to
>>>> the paper.
>>>>
>>>> Are you going to meet the challenge?
>>>>
>>>> (A rhetoric question. I know you are not.)
>>>>
>>>
>>> QED
>>
>> The paper is garbage... The word 'however' is used throughout, after 
>> just about every vague estimate or guess. 
> 
> Since "However" is used three times in the paper,
> that means that Henry George Wilson finds
> three vague estimates or guesses in the paper:
> 
> https://paulba.no/paper/PPN_gamma_Hipparcos.pdf
> 
> Let's look at them:
> However #1:
>   <<
>    After a careful calibration of the instrument parameters,
>    each abscissa on a reference great-circle (RGC) had
>    a typical precision of 3 mas for a star of 8-9 mag.
>    Each consortium has generated for the full mission
>    about 3.5 million abscissae. Thus, ideally, if
>    the reduction is without systematic errors and by
>    neglecting all kind of correlations, an unknown
>    angular parameter in the  abscissa modelling common
>    to all stars could be determined with a precision
>    as good as: 3/sqrt(3.5E6) = 0.0016 mas

Note the word 'if'...

> 
>    Assuming 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


that the deflection for all stars is of
>    the form: 4 X (1+gamma)/2 mas  gamma could be known
>    to better than 0.001. 

Unfortunately,

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>    the correlation
>    between the global parallax zero point and gamma is
>    very large (-0.92) and increases the expected formal
>    error of by an estimated factor of about 2.5, so that
>    it becomes 0.003. However, such a result would rank
>    among the best determinations obtained by various mean


The others are even worse!


> Challenger to Henry:
> Please specify what "vague estimate or guess"
> you found before  "however #1".
> 
> However #2:>> On 28/06/17 03:43, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>> Den 22.06.2017 14.02, skrev Paul B. Andersen:
>>>> The challenge was to explain in detail which estimates,
>>>> misinterpretations, vagaries and educated guesses is contained
>>>> in the paper:
>   <<
>    A global evaluation of the PPN parameters by
>    Hellings (1984) has allowed the use of a large data
>    sample of solar system observations: meridian transits
>    of planets and the Moon, lunar laser ranging measurements,
>    radar range measurements on Mercury, Venus and Mars.
>    The dynamics of all these objects and the observations were
>    modelled in the PPN formalism and the best fit yielded:
>    (1 + gamma)/2 = 0.9994 +/- 0.0008
>    However the great heterogeneity of the observational
>    material makes the assessment of the true uncertainty
>    difficult.>> On 28/06/17 03:43, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>> Den 22.06.2017 14.02, skrev Paul B. Andersen:
>>>> The challenge was to explain in detail which estimates,
>>>> misinterpretations, vagaries and educated guesses is contained
>>>> in the paper:
>   >>
>   This isn't about the Hipparcos measurements at all.

WHAT IS IT DOING In THE PAPER THEN?

> However #3:
>   <<
>
>    However the separation is not perfect, 

Sure isn't!


> So Ralph, the challenge is still to explain in detail which estimates,
> misinterpretations, vagaries and educated guesses is contained
> in the paper:
> https://paulba.no/paper/PPN_gamma_Hipparcos.pdf

Paul, Did you notice that the selected stars had a wide range of 
'angular distances' from the sun? That is very important and offers a 
simple way to fake the results.
If you knew anything about the deflection of starlight, you would know 
that most of it occurs when the light is in the vicinity of the sun. 
Quite likely, light coming from -45 deg might deviate about ten times 
more than that coming from +45 degrees. So it isn't hard to select the 
right angular distribution of stars that will exaggerate the answer by 
the desired factor of 2.
You might have noticed that 'troublesome stars' were omitted from the 
analysis. Obviously they were the ones that caused trouble for 
Einstein's silly theory.

>> It is typical of the way in which the dingleberry machine has managed 
>> to fabricate masses of false support for their favorite god.
>>
>> The only part that might be worth noting is the paragraph which 
>> virtually admits that all the experiments involving solar eclipses did 
>> NOT support GR.
> 
> There is no such paragraph.

That's what you would like to believe.

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