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Re: What Science actually is, TODAY

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: What Science actually is, TODAY
Date	2017-06-24 03:01 +0000
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benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 6/22/2017 9:01 AM, Tom Roberts wrote:
>> On 6/20/17 6/20/17   9:48 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
>>> Science is cause and effect.
>> 
>> No. Science is a systematic effort to build models of phenomena in the 
>> world
>> around us, testing them with experiment, and refining them from the 
>> results.
>> 
>> "Cause and effect" is at best an APPROXIMATION useful in our every day 
>> lives,
>> but apparently not something that Nature herself uses -- NONE of our 
>> current
>> theories of physics include "cause and effect" in the sense you mean. 
>> Indeed,
>> you'll find your "cause and effect" is IMPOSSIBLE to define with sufficient
>> precision to be useful.
>> 
>> A famous example: I strike a match -- what is the cause of the
>> resulting heat and light? Is it:
>> a) the friction of match on striking surface?
>> b) the rapid combination of oxygen and phosphorous atoms?
>> c) the relaxation to ground state of phosphorous oxide?
>> d) the emission of radiation by that relaxation?
>> e) the interaction of that radiation with surrounding air?
>> f) the movement of my fingers in striking the match?
>> g) my desire for heat and light?
>> ... etc.
>> Of course the answer is "All of the above".
>> 
>> Apparently you have never bothered to actually THINK about what 
>> "causality" is,
>> or how such a wishy-washy concept could be quantified.
>> 
>> Those of us who have done so have learned that you must focus on an 
>> extremely
>> tiny portion of the overall process, such as the interaction of one 
>> photon with
>> one air molecule. Then you find that "cause and effect" have 
>> DISAPPEARED, and
>> you only have scattering and other interactions that are invariant under 
>> time
>> reversal (i.e. are freely and completely reversible in order).
>> 
>>> [... archaic thoughts about science by ancient writers.]
>> 
>> YOU need to learn what science is TODAY. You are not living in 1790, or 
>> even 1970.
>> 
>> Tom Roberts
> In other words, Tom says get with the modern "religion" and quit 
> worrying about logic, consistency and common sense. Just listen to Odd 
> and BELIEVE!
> 
> The above is a babbling batch of nonsense. Causality has always been a 
> major principle of physics. The fact that "modern" idiots have noticed 
> that equations run equally well both ways doesn't mean that reality does.

Nope. Sorry. Causality was dropped as a major principle of physics before
you were born. What you WANT is irrelevant. 

> 
> Causality is simple. No present action is caused by future events. Who 
> has evidence that actions in the present are caused by FUTURE choices? 
> You? Well start naming them then.
> 
> So you show me some EM waves from the future and well, I'll show you ... 
> yeah you know. Why do people buy into the nonsense that something "new" 
> is automatically "better"?
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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  Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-16 08:51 -0700
  Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 10:25 -0700
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  Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-17 04:12 -0700
  Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-17 07:16 -0700
    Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-06-17 09:25 -0700
      Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-17 09:46 -0700
        Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-06-17 10:17 -0700
          Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-17 11:52 -0700
            Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-06-17 12:41 -0700
              Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-17 13:05 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-06-17 13:18 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ecembre Abin <umueuu@eibbwaw.ee> - 2017-06-17 20:27 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-17 13:41 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ecembre Abin <umueuu@eibbwaw.ee> - 2017-06-17 20:52 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-06-17 14:11 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Isichi Yoku <uuzyku@ywiwoz.ua> - 2017-06-17 21:14 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-17 14:32 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Isichi Yoku <uuzyku@ywiwoz.ua> - 2017-06-17 21:39 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-17 15:01 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Isichi Yoku <uuzyku@ywiwoz.ua> - 2017-06-17 22:03 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-18 03:58 +0200
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Michiko Obryan <ucyiknruc@whmyowwwnk.rn> - 2017-06-18 09:12 +0000
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                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Julianna Eliason <nujasenea@wiwnwajau.nc> - 2017-06-18 14:15 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Rhett Doucet <ttdh@etoe.ee> - 2017-06-19 13:51 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-18 08:47 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-06-18 09:41 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-18 10:10 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-18 11:28 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Rhett Doucet <ttdh@etoe.ee> - 2017-06-18 19:27 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-18 13:45 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Rhett Doucet <ttdh@etoe.ee> - 2017-06-18 21:50 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 13:07 -0500
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-18 13:11 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-18 15:52 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-19 07:44 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-19 09:40 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-19 23:06 -0500
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-20 07:00 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Eshiki Orakut <usa@iwikuh.ki> - 2017-06-20 14:03 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-20 07:48 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Eshiki Orakut <usa@iwikuh.ki> - 2017-06-20 14:51 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 16:56 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-21 10:29 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-21 21:56 -0400
                What Science actually is, TODAY Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-22 08:01 -0500
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-22 06:16 -0700
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Lipek Mniak <iluka@sskwpiw.pp> - 2017-06-22 17:27 +0000
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Lipek Mniak <iluka@sskwpiw.pp> - 2017-06-22 17:26 +0000
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-23 16:36 -0400
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 03:01 +0000
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Valok Planek <lkupuu@kwklewan.oo> - 2017-06-24 10:33 +0000
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-24 17:30 +0200
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Iorgas Gerakis <grura@agsiskswk.ai> - 2017-06-24 17:10 +0000
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-06-24 21:14 +0200
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Ernardin Ignace <ee@wrrawiwidir.ic> - 2017-06-24 21:07 +0000
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-06-24 23:15 +0200
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                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Ernardin Ignace <ee@wrrawiwidir.ic> - 2017-06-25 09:12 +0000
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-24 18:14 -0400
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-25 16:33 -0500
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-29 14:47 +0200
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-29 09:07 -0500
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-07-01 01:13 +0200
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-30 19:26 -0400
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 01:25 +0000
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 01:52 -0400
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 14:36 -0500
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-01 16:41 -0400
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-02 00:28 +0000
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-01 23:55 -0400
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-02 04:44 -0700
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-02 14:05 -0500
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-03 06:29 -0700
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-03 06:35 -0700
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 12:40 -0500
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-03 13:46 -0700
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 21:34 +0000
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-04 03:08 +0000
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                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 14:37 -0500
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-25 21:23 -0500
                Re: What Science actually is, TODAY kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-26 05:52 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-20 07:34 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Eshiki Orakut <usa@iwikuh.ki> - 2017-06-20 14:41 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-20 07:53 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-20 08:10 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 13:09 -0500
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                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-18 22:07 +0200
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-18 13:32 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-18 23:06 +0200
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 13:17 -0500
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-06-17 14:49 -0700
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        Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-17 10:45 -0700
          Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-17 12:09 -0700
            Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ecembre Abin <umueuu@eibbwaw.ee> - 2017-06-17 19:13 +0000
              Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-17 12:21 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ecembre Abin <umueuu@eibbwaw.ee> - 2017-06-17 19:26 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-17 12:37 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ecembre Abin <umueuu@eibbwaw.ee> - 2017-06-17 19:40 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-17 12:54 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ecembre Abin <umueuu@eibbwaw.ee> - 2017-06-17 20:01 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-17 13:29 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ecembre Abin <umueuu@eibbwaw.ee> - 2017-06-17 20:38 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-17 22:21 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-17 22:24 +0000
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                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-17 14:14 -0700
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            Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-19 09:00 -0700
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                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Eshiki Orakut <usa@iwikuh.ki> - 2017-06-19 21:31 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-19 23:55 +0200
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-19 14:22 -0700
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            Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-19 12:27 -0500
              Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-19 14:05 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 16:15 -0500
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-19 23:33 -0500
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                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-06-20 06:04 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Eshiki Orakut <usa@iwikuh.ki> - 2017-06-20 13:18 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 08:14 -0500
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-20 06:24 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 14:15 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-20 15:00 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-20 08:41 -0500
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-20 06:47 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Eshiki Orakut <usa@iwikuh.ki> - 2017-06-20 13:56 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Eshiki Orakut <usa@iwikuh.ki> - 2017-06-20 13:54 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-20 19:15 -0500
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Eshiki Orakut <usa@iwikuh.ki> - 2017-06-21 09:36 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Eshiki Orakut <usa@iwikuh.ki> - 2017-06-20 13:11 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-20 08:45 -0500
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Eshiki Orakut <usa@iwikuh.ki> - 2017-06-20 13:49 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-06-20 07:32 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-06-20 08:06 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-20 11:23 -0500
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-21 05:50 -0700
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-21 23:23 +0200
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Lipek Mniak <iluka@sskwpiw.pp> - 2017-06-21 21:48 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-22 08:31 -0500
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-23 00:26 +0200
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-22 17:56 -0500
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-23 08:38 +0200
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Lipek Mniak <iluka@sskwpiw.pp> - 2017-06-23 11:15 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Lipek Mniak <iluka@sskwpiw.pp> - 2017-06-23 11:14 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Lipek Mniak <iluka@sskwpiw.pp> - 2017-06-23 11:12 +0000
                Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-20 18:52 +0200
            Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 13:24 -0500
              Re: Einstein's False Postulate That Killed Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-19 13:03 -0700
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