Re: CH4 for Odd

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: CH4 for Odd
Date	2017-06-16 08:16 -0500
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On 6/16/17 6:22 AM, john wrote:
> MM
> "
> use the time independent Schrodinger Wave Equations.  The probability of
> finding the electron at any particular (x,y,z) (or (r,theta,phi)) is the
> same now as it is a picosecond later, or a century ago.  That's because
> the laws of physics don't change over time. "
> We come ever closer to your doublethink.
> You think the electron is everywhere at
> once! Therefore, it doesn't need a path!!
> Because of the above!

Not quite. There are several reasons, actually.
Planck's constant is a reality, demonstrated by blackbody radiation, the 
Compton effect, the photoelectric effect, and a few other observations. 
Now that Planck's constant is established, then the Heisenberg 
uncertainty principle comes directly from that. The Heisenberg principle 
tells you outright that electrons cannot possibly have a well-determined 
path, period. Reminder of what this means: Through a very short chain of 
logic, the OBSERVATIONS of blackbody radiation, Compton effect, 
photoelectric effect and a few others tell you that an electron cannot 
have a well-determined path. Period, end of story. The only way to 
insist that electrons have to have a well-determined path is to insist 
that the blackbody spectrum, photoelectric effect, and Compton effect 
cannot happen. But they do.

So now that it's CERTAIN electrons cannot have well-defined paths, then 
the question is what's the alternative. And here is where Schrodinger 
comes in with an idea that is testable. And sure enough, when you take 
his idea and see if it matches against emission spectra, the form of the 
periodic table, the pattern of chemical properties of the elements, the 
shape of molecules and the strengths of their bonds, then everything 
checks out.

So here's the chain again:
1. Observations of certain phenomena establish Planck's constant
2. Planck's constant rules out well-defined paths of electrons
3. Alternative idea about how electrons behave in atoms proposed by 
Schrodinger.
4. Schrodingers' model checked six ways to Sunday against measured 
properties of atoms and molecules, and it all checks out.

Now you say this is silly. What part of it is silly?

> Revelation?
> Revulsion!!
> You're silly, Michael.
> Silly!!!
> 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 11:46 -0700
  Re: CH4 for Odd "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-06-14 12:32 -0700
  Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 14:32 -0500
    Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 14:42 -0500
      Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 14:27 -0700
        Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 15:13 -0700
          Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 08:38 -0500
        Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 08:33 -0500
          Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-15 09:35 -0700
            Re: CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 11:14 -0700
        Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 08:50 -0500
          Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 07:08 -0700
            Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 07:40 -0700
              Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 10:46 -0500
              Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 16:05 +0000
            Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 10:41 -0500
    Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 19:55 +0000
      Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 15:55 -0500
      Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 14:16 -0700
        Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 12:39 +0000
          Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-15 09:33 -0700
            Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 16:40 -0500
              Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-16 00:30 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 15:53 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-16 21:50 -0700
      Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 20:29 -0700
        Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-14 21:26 -0700
        Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 12:48 +0000
          Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 08:22 -0700
            Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 10:49 -0500
            Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-15 16:12 +0000
              Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 18:24 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-16 07:17 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 04:22 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 08:16 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 06:49 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 15:10 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-16 21:37 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-16 15:03 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 08:50 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-16 19:44 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 15:07 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-17 06:14 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-17 14:10 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-17 21:24 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-17 15:52 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-17 16:44 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-18 00:09 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-17 21:50 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 02:50 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-17 21:57 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 12:40 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 08:42 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 08:51 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 09:03 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-19 01:04 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 12:51 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-19 01:03 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-18 21:33 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 12:52 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-20 04:49 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 08:36 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-18 21:31 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 12:48 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 04:53 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 08:38 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-20 14:45 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 08:09 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 10:57 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 09:41 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 09:48 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 15:00 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-21 09:51 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 10:10 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 15:08 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 13:27 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 15:43 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-21 20:49 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-22 00:19 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-22 03:58 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 12:39 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 12:38 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 06:13 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 06:22 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 07:33 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 07:55 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-22 15:21 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 08:40 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-22 16:57 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 12:36 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 08:44 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 12:38 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 12:33 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 10:10 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-21 18:23 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 08:21 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 11:01 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-21 18:37 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 12:37 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 13:02 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-21 21:07 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 17:46 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-21 21:35 -0400
                Re: CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 04:01 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 05:10 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 08:53 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 12:41 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 11:19 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 11:26 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 11:51 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 15:25 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 15:24 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 17:45 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 19:30 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-23 03:33 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-23 07:25 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-23 08:58 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-23 17:40 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-23 14:32 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 05:28 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-24 14:38 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 13:02 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-24 23:29 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 17:45 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-25 03:14 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-25 03:16 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 21:05 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-27 00:04 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-26 17:32 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-27 01:32 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-27 05:09 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 15:46 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 15:28 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-25 03:14 +0000
                Re: CH4 for Odd poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-06-20 01:39 -0700
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 08:34 -0500
                Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-16 08:07 -0500
  Re: CH4 for Odd Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 16:00 -0500
  Re: CH4 for Odd Sегgi о <iinvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-14 17:40 -0500
  CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 17:51 -0700
    CH4 for Odd john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 20:22 -0700
      CH4 for Odd HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 02:54 -0700

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