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Re: GPS Again.

From Серг ио <invalid@invalid.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: GPS Again.
Date 2017-06-13 16:39 -0500
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References (10 earlier) <ohmjn0$10mj$1@gioia.aioe.org> <pn131e-06d.ln1@mail.specsol.com> <72ea09c4-4673-4efc-b02e-bc765f045e69@googlegroups.com> <lh831e-ird.ln1@mail.specsol.com> <64e528eb-3130-4f5d-928c-adfdb30aa84b@googlegroups.com>

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On 6/13/2017 2:33 PM, pcardinale@volcanomail.com wrote:
> On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 1:16:04 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> pcardinale@volcanomail.com wrote:
>>> Your link actually supports what Serg io said.  The article describes SS as being either frequency hopping, or direct sequence (which is what Serg io was describing).
>>
>> Upon rereading the article, it describes SS as FHSS, DSSS, THSS, CSS and
>> combinations of these techniques, which has what the fuck to do with GPS
>> which operates on fixed, well defined frequencies?
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Jim Pennino
> 
> GPS uses DSSS.  Sure, the carrier frequencies are well defined, but that has nothing to do with the modulation scheme.
> 

the really nice thing about DSSS or spread spectrum is that you get 
"corrolation gain" or processing gain, which is roughly the ratio of 
your spread signal bandwidth to modulation signal bandwidth. (10 or 20 
*log(SSBw/MBw)

it can be 30 to 40 dB, which is huge!

so if  your signal path from a transmitter to receiver is a -100 dB 
loss, the extra gain allows you to go farther, another 40 dB's worth of 
distance (hit shadowed areas), and/or reduce antenna size, and/or reduce 
transmitter power (which reduces battery size enabling cellphones to be 
small)

instead of 100 watt transmitter, you use a 1 watt transmitter.

and with DSSS you can detect below the noise floor.

Qualcomm is big in SS, makes $$ from licensing its technology worldwide.

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Re: GPS Again. Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 10:37 +0000
  Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-30 09:57 -0500
    Re: GPS Again. Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-30 20:52 +0200
      Re: GPS Again. Ernest Rivers <erwm@weicnne.ac> - 2017-05-30 19:17 +0000
      Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-30 15:23 -0500
        Re: GPS Again. Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-30 22:53 +0200
          Re: GPS Again. Ernest Schwanenflügel <erwm@wanenf.oa> - 2017-05-30 20:59 +0000
            Re: GPS Again. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-31 00:42 +0200
          Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-30 19:03 -0500
            Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-05-30 21:30 -0500
      Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-05-30 19:01 -0500
    Re: GPS Again. Ernest Rivers <erwm@weicnne.ac> - 2017-05-30 19:15 +0000
      Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-09 11:37 +1000
        Re: GPS Again. Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 14:32 +0000
          Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-09 12:51 -0500
            Re: GPS Again. Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 18:52 +0000
            Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-10 09:23 +1000
            Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-10 11:23 +1000
          Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-10 11:21 +1000
            Re: GPS Again. Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-10 10:42 +0000
              Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-10 19:38 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Nými Icelulózy <ejienm@wzsfwe.ul> - 2017-06-16 11:30 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Sегgi о <iinvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-16 10:40 -0500
              Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-11 11:11 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-10 21:20 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-11 12:31 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-10 22:40 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-10 23:20 -0500
            Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 05:14 +1000
              Re: GPS Again. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-10 22:16 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 07:19 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-11 22:35 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 15:44 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 18:03 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 19:00 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 11:39 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-12 02:33 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-06-12 10:15 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 13:40 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-06-12 14:19 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-11 22:42 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 23:27 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 04:47 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 08:20 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 17:18 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-12 18:15 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 22:32 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-12 20:48 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-13 01:52 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-13 19:57 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-14 00:46 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-12 09:58 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 15:08 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 10:37 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 17:21 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 17:40 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 18:05 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 18:19 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 19:16 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-12 19:43 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. pcardinale@volcanomail.com - 2017-06-12 12:22 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 20:01 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 18:32 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-13 01:54 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 22:28 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-13 19:59 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-14 00:48 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-13 21:35 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-14 02:11 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-06-13 19:50 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-13 23:53 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-14 05:27 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Sегg iо <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-14 09:10 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-14 17:10 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-14 21:33 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-14 18:19 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-14 22:33 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-15 17:01 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-15 23:09 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-13 23:49 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-14 05:29 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Sегg iо <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-13 20:29 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. pcardinale@volcanomail.com - 2017-06-13 12:33 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Серг ио <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-13 16:39 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-12 18:25 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 18:45 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 10:35 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-12 11:05 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 23:29 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 20:12 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 13:54 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 12:47 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 04:13 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-13 12:59 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 04:22 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-13 13:00 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-13 13:32 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 10:09 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 09:34 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Серг ио <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-13 18:42 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 12:40 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 04:06 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-06-13 23:01 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Sегg iо <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-13 23:19 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Sегg iо <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-13 23:46 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-14 20:07 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sегg iо <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-14 09:17 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-17 08:26 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-16 20:40 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. Ecembre Abin <umueuu@eibbwaw.ee> - 2017-06-17 08:05 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-17 22:20 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sегgi о <iinvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-17 07:58 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-14 17:06 -0400
    Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-31 09:58 +1000
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