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On 6/8/17 3:30 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 6:27:16 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 4:49:05 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 6/7/17 2:52 PM, JanPB wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 10:53:13 PM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>> W dniu środa, 7 czerwca 2017 00:25:53 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 11:42:31 AM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 20:33:02 UTC+2 użytkownik Wozniak napisał:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 7:44:08 AM UTC-10, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 18:30:27 UTC+2 użytkownik einstein....@gmail.com napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 11:37:04 PM UTC-10, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 11:21:37 UTC+2 użytkownik Groupie napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 8:28:13 PM UTC-10, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 07:56:13 UTC+2 użytkownik Poutnik napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dne 06/06/2017 v 07:49 Eckard B napsal(a):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't the expression TOTAL NONSENSE indicate that Ed Lake might be wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The topic "reality vs. math" did certainly deserve being better discussed, cf. e.g. FQXi. For instance, the late Einstein admitted that the now worries him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seriously. Why? Reality is open in Popper's sense. Science can merely provide models.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Better wording would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      "Reality versus physical theories",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as theories are reality models,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involving mathematical description.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Math itself has nothing to do with reality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Speaking of math, it's always good to remind that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your idiot guru has rejected it's oldest and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very important part. Because "common sense is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a collection of prejudices".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You're dumber than dirt."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't deny, but you can rave and spit.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As expected from a fanatic idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You really are one malignantly stupid speck of fecal matter!
>>>>>>>>>>> :))
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You really can do nothing except raving and
>>>>>>>>>> spitting.
>>>>>>>>>> As expected from a relativistic moron.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Unplonk"
>>>>>>>>> I have no idea about relativity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't worry. Nobody of your fanatic bunch has.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...said Maciej Wozniak, who cannot answer simple test questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to see that you are just an angry idiot.
>>>>>>>>> You're probably angry at everyone else because, justifiably, they make you feel incredibly stupid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rave, moron, and spit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If he wants to do that, it's none of your business. Just keep your distance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What else can you do
>>>>>>>> meeting someone that makes you feel incredibly
>>>>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it is you who cannot answer simple questions designed to test your
>>>>>>> knowledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're too stupid to design a question, Jan. Face
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, my question was perfectly legit, stop lying about it. Here it is
>>>>> again: calculate the curvature of the graph of exp(z) (the complex
>>>>> exponential).
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maciej lives for the same kind of world where reside Ken Seto and Ralph
>>>> Rabbidge and Robert Winn and the like. They are the advocates of the
>>>> everyman, people who want science to be not only accessible but easily
>>>> understandable to all. To this end, they insist that owe of most people are
>>>> okay in their day to day existence using nothing but 19th century
>>>> freshman physics and common sense, then this should be all there is to
>>>> physics. Lowest common denominator physics, the practical science that
>>>> every high school graduate might know.
>>>
>>> No idiot.... we object to the use of non-existing mathematical objects to explain the processes of nature. For example:
>>> 1. Physicists claim 11 or 26 dimensions of space and one dimension of time. But there are only three dimensions of space and one dimension of time.
>>
>> Then kindly complain to Lagrange (who needs one 6-dimensional space
>> for each particle + 1 time dimension) and to Hamilton (who needs (2n+1)-
>> dimensional space in the form of an _incompressible fluid_ (so a
>> "fictitious" one) for n particles, etc. All this is classical mechanics
>> from 18th and 19th century.
> 
> All these are mathematical curiosities.....all the processes of nature can be explained by three dimensions of space and one dimension of time.

Not with calculational predictions that are good to 12 decimal places.
Explain the anomalous magnetic moment of the muon, Ken, and show how it 
can be calculated to 12 digit accuracy, compared to experiment.

>   
>>> 2. virtual particles pop in and out of empty space.
>>
>> This is how the model works. In the days before quantum mechanics there
>> was a similarly "magical" principle of least action. You confuse
>> philosophical issues underlying abstract model use with the scientific
>> ones (a common error around here).
> 
> The point is: There is no need for an abstract model. The math of QM can be explained by a real physical model.

This is what I was referring to earlier. You want physics to be 
accessible and easily understandable to all, and so you want to claim 
there's a way to do it without math, without calculations, without 
unusual ideas. Because you want so badly for everyday people to be able 
to understanding things without training in physics.

Because it bothers the hell out of you that you cannot make head nor 
tails of what's written in physics books. And so you find that offensive 
to the point of needing to be replaced.

> 
>>
>>> 3. Universal constant for the speed of light.....by definition the speed of anything (including the speed of light) is changeable.
>>
>> No. You presume time is an absolute. It doesn’t have to be.
> 
> But time is absolute.....the GPS uses absolute time to synch the GPS with the ground clock as follows: The GPS second was redefined to have 4.4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of a standard ground clock second.....IOW, the redefined GPS second contains the same amount of absolute time as a standard ground clock second.
> 
> Also the math of LT confirm the existence of absolute time according to the following equation:
> Delta(t’)=gamma*Delta(t)
> What this equation says is that Delta(t’) contains the same amount of absolute time as gamma*Delta(t)

Ken, you have no idea what these equations say, and so you make shit up.

> 
>>
>>> Modern aether theories such as Model Mechanics eliminated these non-existing mathematical objects
>>
>> Model Mechanics did eliminate them and is also worthless junk.
>>
>> --
>> Jan


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Re: Reality versus Math Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-05 22:49 -0700
  Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 07:56 +0200
    Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-05 23:28 -0700
      Re: Reality versus Math Groupie <einstein.groupie69@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 02:21 -0700
        Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 02:37 -0700
          Re: Reality versus Math einstein.groupie69@gmail.com - 2017-06-06 09:30 -0700
            Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 10:44 -0700
              Re: Reality versus Math Wozniak <einstein.groupie69@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 11:32 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 11:42 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 15:25 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 22:53 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 12:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ernardin Regoire <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-07 20:01 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 13:51 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:11 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:16 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 14:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:45 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 13:22 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 13:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 15:49 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:09 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 06:27 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 12:16 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 12:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:27 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-08 23:13 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-09 07:55 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 15:18 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-09 15:58 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 14:02 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 19:10 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 19:12 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-10 16:26 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:54 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-10 09:15 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:29 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-08 23:23 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 11:56 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 13:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-08 21:00 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 16:35 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:00 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-09 00:15 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:49 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-09 07:25 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-09 08:06 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:51 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 14:35 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Groupie <einstein.groupie69@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 17:15 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-06 21:41 -0400
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 22:53 -0700
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