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Re: Reality versus Math

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kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 6:27:16 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 4:49:05 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:

>> > > Maciej lives for the same kind of world where reside Ken Seto and Ralph
>> > > Rabbidge and Robert Winn and the like. They are the advocates of the
>> > > everyman, people who want science to be not only accessible but easily
>> > > understandable to all. To this end, they insist that owe of most people are
>> > > okay in their day to day existence using nothing but 19th century
>> > > freshman physics and common sense, then this should be all there is to
>> > > physics. Lowest common denominator physics, the practical science that
>> > > every high school graduate might know.

>> > No idiot.... we object to the use of non-existing mathematical objects
>> > to explain the processes of nature. For example:
>> > 1. Physicists claim 11 or 26 dimensions of space and one dimension of time.
>> > But there are only three dimensions of space and one dimension of time.

>> Then kindly complain to Lagrange (who needs one 6-dimensional space
>> for each particle + 1 time dimension) and to Hamilton (who needs (2n+1)-
>> dimensional space in the form of an _incompressible fluid_ (so a
>> "fictitious" one) for n particles, etc. All this is classical mechanics
>> from 18th and 19th century.

>All these are mathematical curiosities.....all the processes of nature can
>be explained by three dimensions of space and one dimension of time.

But that's part of Model Mechanics, and since you know that Model Mechanics
is a total failure, there probably is something to these extra dimensions.
After all, if Model Mechanics says something is false, there's a really good
chance that that something is true.

>> > 2. virtual particles pop in and out of empty space.

>> This is how the model works. In the days before quantum mechanics there
>> was a similarly "magical" principle of least action. You confuse
>> philosophical issues underlying abstract model use with the scientific
>> ones (a common error around here).

>The point is: There is no need for an abstract model. The math of QM can be
> explained by a real physical model.

No, Stupid Ken.  Just because you can't do mathematics, not even (-6)/(-2),
doesn't mean that real physicists can't use mathematics to solve problems
of physics.

>> > 3. Universal constant for the speed of light.....by definition the speed 
>> > of anything (including the speed of light) is changeable.

>> No. You presume time is an absolute. It doesn't have to be.

>But time is absolute.....

No, Stupid Ken.  Maybe Model Mechanics says time is absolute, but nobody cares
since Model Mechanics is an absolute failure.

<set autism=on>

>the GPS uses absolute time to synch the GPS with the ground clock as follows:
>The GPS second was redefined to have 4.4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation.
>This makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage 
>of a standard ground clock second.....IOW, the redefined GPS second contains 
>the same amount of absolute time as a standard ground clock second.

<set autism=off>

Ken, why do you autistically repeat the same incorrect phrases over and over
again, practically word for word, when many people have told you many many
times that is simply wrong?  There is no such thing as a redefined GPS second,
and you know it.  The GPS does prove, however, that time is not absolute.

>Also the math of LT confirm the existence of absolute time according to the
>following equation:

No, Stupid Ken, it does not. Many people have told you to learn SR and GR
first before spewing incorrect kooky crap.

>> > Modern aether theories such as Model Mechanics eliminated these 
>> > non-existing mathematical objects

And Model Mechanics is well-known for being a total, absolute failure.

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                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 15:25 -0700
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                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 14:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:45 -0700
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                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 13:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 15:49 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:09 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 06:27 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 12:16 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 12:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:27 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-08 23:13 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-09 07:55 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 15:18 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-09 15:58 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 14:02 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 19:10 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 19:12 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-10 16:26 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:54 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-10 09:15 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:29 -0500
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                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 11:56 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 13:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-08 21:00 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 16:35 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:00 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-09 00:15 -0700
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                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-09 08:06 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:51 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 14:35 +0000
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