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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: CH4 for Odd |
| Date | 2017-05-19 12:18 -0500 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <ofn9ch$1pia$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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On 5/19/17 12:04 PM, john wrote: > Without cause or rationale? > YOU are the one not using those and supplanting > them with scientific "rules" that make a mockery > of the science that you espouse. > You seek not to elucidate, but to obscure > Shame on you Scientific rules come from observation. Here's how a scientist works, John. 1. First, be careful not to make any assumptions. None. There are no God-granted-us-intuition-to-just-know rules. Here, this means, do not assume things like "everything has structure". Instead say, "It MAY be true that all things have structure OR it MAY be true that some things have structure and other things do not." 2. Whatever rules are inferred MUST come from observations. That is, if an experiment tells you that something has structure, then you know it has structure. If an experiment gives you no evidence of structure, then you may not ASSUME it must have structure anyway. The best you can do is to say it may or may not. 3. Application of the inferred rules results in the creation of mathematically predictive models. The validity of the rules is based purely on the match between the QUANTITATIVE predictions of the model and the QUANTITATIVE measurements in experiment. Here, in the spirit of not knowing whether there is structure to an electron, there are models of both kinds. There are models of structureless electrons that make certain predictions. There are other models of structured electrons that make different and distinct predictions. The measurements SO FAR agree with the first kind of model and disagree with the second kind of model. And therefore the validity of the no-structure possibility is deemed to be better than the validity of the structure possibility. NOTE this comes from comparison with experiment and NOT from any core and unquestioned assumption. 4. Continue to look for evidence that might indicate the inferred rule is wrong. In this case, experimenters continue to look for the kind of evidence that the structured-electron models predict. So far, they have found none. Please read these four steps over, three times. Note how different they are from the way an artist like you thinks. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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