Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore.

From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore.
Date	2017-05-13 14:24 +0000
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM

>"As to the energy, a significant percentage of the mass of infalling matter 
>gets converted to energy due to gravitational potential energy.  That's 
>many times the energy released by a star like the sun over its entire 
>lifetime, even if the star consumed all its hydrogen." 

>But, Michael, don't you realize that you have
>helped MY argument, here?

No, I realize no such thing, because I haven't.

>Less mass coming out with more energy,
>because the rest of the mass got converted
>and NO MASS stayed behind?

No, John, in order for that mass-energy to get out, you have to add back
all that energy that was released to get it out. And that's not going
to happen by itself.  Just like if you drop a rock and it releases energy
when it hits, you have to replace all that energy if you put the rock back
to its original location.

Remember how I told you how you get a shitload of mass coming out as jets
because 10 shitloads of mass fell in?  As that 10 shitloads falls in,
it releases energy (several percent of the total mass, E=mc^2, so it is
an enormous amount), some of that energy gets transferred to a shitload
of mass, and that energy ejects that shitload of mass as jets. Now, 9 
shitloads of mass, no longer with enough energy to get out, stays behind.

The shitload of mass ejected was given enough energy to get back out and
still has enough energy left over to be moving at 90% of c.

(This is an example; I don't know what percent of infalling mass becomes
jets, it's likely quite a bit less than 10%)

>Ur funny Michael 

Not as funny as someone who has no idea what is going on yet thinks he
can explain what is going on.

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There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-22 07:42 -0700
  There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 08:22 -0700
    Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-22 11:49 -0700
    Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-22 12:43 -0700
    There is no black hole in Sgr A * HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 10:06 -0700
      Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-23 12:39 -0700
        Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-23 13:05 -0700
          Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-23 13:29 -0700
            Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-23 13:50 -0700
              Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-23 14:29 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-23 16:30 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-24 02:12 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 09:01 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-24 13:17 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 14:57 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-26 12:42 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 13:15 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-27 05:53 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 09:47 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-05-08 13:56 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-05-08 15:37 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 20:03 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-08 20:11 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 06:18 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 08:27 -0500
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 06:32 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 06:34 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 13:24 -0500
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 15:19 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 08:51 -0500
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 08:21 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 08:30 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 08:33 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 12:08 -0500
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 10:55 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 13:14 -0500
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 06:32 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 06:36 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 09:11 -0500
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 07:31 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 08:37 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 15:21 -0500
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 13:43 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 14:05 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 14:24 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 16:45 -0500
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 15:22 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 15:36 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 05:26 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 08:14 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 10:21 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 10:52 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 10:57 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 13:44 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-12 01:08 +0000
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 05:24 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-12 16:27 +0000
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 05:44 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-13 14:24 +0000
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 06:54 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 15:33 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 15:37 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 15:51 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 15:58 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 16:34 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 19:31 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-10 17:17 +0000
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-05-10 03:57 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 16:43 -0500
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-05-09 14:21 -0700
                Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-13 14:02 +0000
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 10:59 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-28 02:15 +0000
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 07:21 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-28 16:09 +0000
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 16:03 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-29 06:06 +0000
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 05:50 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-29 18:52 +0000
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 06:18 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 06:28 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-01 02:58 +0000
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 08:33 -0500
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 20:23 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 06:17 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:40 -0500
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 09:53 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 12:07 -0500
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-01 02:55 +0000
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 10:23 -0500
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 08:28 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 10:31 -0500
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-29 17:40 +0000
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 13:19 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 09:18 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-26 13:39 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 09:22 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-28 00:52 -0700
                Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-24 03:47 -0700
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        Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 08:07 -0700

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