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| Started by | Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> |
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| First post | 2017-04-22 07:42 -0700 |
| Last post | 2017-04-24 08:07 -0700 |
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There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-22 07:42 -0700
There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 08:22 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-22 11:49 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-22 12:43 -0700
There is no black hole in Sgr A * HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 10:06 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-23 12:39 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-23 13:05 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-23 13:29 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-23 13:50 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-23 14:29 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-23 16:30 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-24 02:12 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 09:01 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-24 13:17 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 14:57 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-26 12:42 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 13:15 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-27 05:53 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 09:47 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-05-08 13:56 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-05-08 15:37 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 20:03 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-08 20:11 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 06:18 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 08:27 -0500
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 06:32 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 06:34 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 13:24 -0500
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 15:19 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 08:51 -0500
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 08:21 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 08:30 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 08:33 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 12:08 -0500
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 10:55 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 13:14 -0500
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 06:32 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 06:36 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 09:11 -0500
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 07:31 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 08:37 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 15:21 -0500
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 13:43 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 14:05 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 14:24 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 16:45 -0500
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 15:22 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 15:36 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 05:26 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 08:14 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 10:21 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 10:52 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 10:57 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 13:44 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-12 01:08 +0000
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 05:24 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-12 16:27 +0000
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 05:44 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-13 14:24 +0000
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 06:54 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 15:33 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 15:37 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 15:51 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 15:58 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 16:34 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 19:31 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-10 17:17 +0000
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-05-10 03:57 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 16:43 -0500
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-05-09 14:21 -0700
Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-13 14:02 +0000
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 10:59 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-28 02:15 +0000
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 07:21 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-28 16:09 +0000
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 16:03 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-29 06:06 +0000
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 05:50 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-29 18:52 +0000
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 06:18 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 06:28 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-01 02:58 +0000
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 08:33 -0500
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 20:23 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 06:17 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:40 -0500
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 09:53 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 12:07 -0500
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-01 02:55 +0000
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 10:23 -0500
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 08:28 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 10:31 -0500
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-29 17:40 +0000
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 13:19 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 09:18 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-26 13:39 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 09:22 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-28 00:52 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Enes Richard <pies_na_teorie@vp.pl> - 2017-04-24 03:47 -0700
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 00:47 -0400
Re: There is no black hole in Sgr A * Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 08:07 -0700
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-05-09 08:37 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <d2ff4de1-3b00-43f1-aa1a-2ace0544d204@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632583 |
On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 7:32:01 AM UTC-7, john wrote: > Odd > "Stardust meaning atoms? What do you think "stardust" is? > " > > Yes, atoms. > What do YOU think it is? > DM? > Tinker bell? > Quantum weirdness? So, where did those stardust atoms come from, John? Do you know what the word "specific" means? When I say 'atoms in your body', I specifically mean atoms heavier than hydrogen. Where do atoms other than hydrogen come from, John. Where are they created?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-09 15:21 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <oet8c4$12os$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #632583 |
On 5/9/17 9:31 AM, john wrote: > Odd > "Stardust meaning atoms? What do you think "stardust" is? > " > > Yes, atoms. > What do YOU think it is? > DM? > Tinker bell? > Quantum weirdness? > So, John, when you were asked about where the atoms of your body came from, your answer was atoms. So the atoms came from atoms. That's what you're saying. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-09 13:43 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <e054a2c7-24ce-449d-8069-fceeba8a8734@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632624 |
Odd " So, John, when you were asked about where the atoms of your body came from, your answer was atoms. " No. It was stars. You don't read
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-05-09 14:05 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <744c5721-48d4-444e-84ac-41c985e2d654@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632633 |
On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 1:44:03 PM UTC-7, john wrote: > Odd > " > So, John, when you were asked about where the atoms of your body came > from, your answer was atoms. " > No. It was stars. > You don't read You did not say stars, you said 'stardust'... and so now you say 'stars'... fine... but I asked for SPECIFIC details. How do stars produce atoms, John? It is like pulling teeth with you. There is no shame if you don't know, John, but this is very basic first-year physics/astronomy, and if you can't easily explain this without the need to research it first, well, you have no business pontificating here about your vast physics knowledge, which, as far as I can see, is essentially nonexistent. Understand beforehand that your answer, assuming you get it even partially correct, will generate a bunch of follow-up questions, which will get progressively more difficult... there is really no place to hide, either you know this stuff or you don't...
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-09 14:24 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <7b5712b4-f0b7-462a-ba0b-f7735517f73a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632644 |
pnal "- show quoted text - You did not say stars, you said 'stardust'... and so now you say 'stars'... fine... but I asked for SPECIFIC details. How do stars produce atoms, John? It is like pulling teeth with you. There is no shame if you don't know, John, but this is very basic first-year physics/astronomy, and if you can't easily explain this without the need to research it first, well, you have no business pontificating here about your vast physics knowledge, which, as far as I can see, is essentially nonexistent. Understand beforehand that your answer, assuming you get it even partially correct, will generate a bunch of follow-up questions, which will get progressively more difficult... there is really no place to hide, either you know this stuff or you don't... " Where does stardust come from? Fusion. You answer me this: AGNs have two oppositely-moving jets. At right angles to their galactic discs. Why right angles? Any difference between the jets? Understand this: those events are admitted by physicists to be "poorly-understood". What does "poorly-understood " mean to you?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-09 16:45 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <oetd9q$1bp6$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #632655 |
On 5/9/17 4:24 PM, john wrote: > You answer me this: AGNs have two > oppositely-moving jets. At right angles to > their galactic discs. > > Why right angles? > Any difference between the jets? > Understand this: those events are admitted > by physicists to be "poorly-understood". > What does "poorly-understood " mean to you? It does NOT mean "we know nothing about those jets at all. It means that they know quite a bit about the jets, but that there's quite a bit that's left to learn about them. What you are assuming is that nobody knows ANYTHING about them (because YOU don't know anything about them) and so your guess is as good as anyone's. But that's a bad assumption. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-09 15:22 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <1ced33b7-1ac4-4b45-a8d6-5713377ad78b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632677 |
My theory predicts a strong magnetic field at right-angles to galactic discs that would account for jets. Yours not?
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-05-09 15:36 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <33eae5ba-57dd-4043-abab-019531992fdc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632692 |
On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 3:22:13 PM UTC-7, john wrote: > My theory predicts a strong magnetic field > at right-angles to galactic discs that would > account for jets. Yours not? Many others have beaten you to that conclusion. Had you researched the subject at all, you would know that this cannot be 'your' theory. You do not know enough about physics/astronomy to even have a viable theory.
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| From | Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-10 05:26 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <5aace7a6-08a1-4f7d-98e5-d400d320c7a2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632692 |
On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 6:22:13 PM UTC-4, john wrote: > My theory predicts a strong magnetic field > at right-angles to galactic discs that would > account for jets. Yours not? You have a theory? Really? let's see it. And, no, one liners do not count for a theory. Show how from initial condition of a gas cloud approaching a BH becomes a disc with two jets. Some calculations showing what percentage of mass goes to the jets and what is absorbed by the BH would at least be a start. Showing the speed of material in the jets would be a start too. ed ed
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-10 08:14 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <508ecb05-26e9-41ba-8964-43da76b91854@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632780 |
ed The BH is spinning Space. Our matter that gets drawn in is too fat to fly, and is shredded and flows out the magnetic poles that are already there. The negative charges go out one way, the positive the other. Your problem is that you don't realize that there is Nothing of our scale of matter inside a BH, and you don't realize that Gravity acts by absorption- not by the gravitating body sending something out (unless you want to suggest something that flows from Matter and "curves" Space?), and you don't realize that it is the SPIN of this lower level of Space that affects matter, not some big pile of whatever. In fact, you have so many misconceptions that I don't hold out much hope for you. Sorry, ed. :)
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| From | Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-10 10:21 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <c3b12a3a-50d3-43b4-a857-b3d29bb74d58@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632807 |
On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 11:14:47 AM UTC-4, john wrote: > ed > The BH is spinning Space. Our matter that > gets drawn in is too fat to fly, > and is shredded and flows out the magnetic > poles that are already there. > The negative charges go out one way, the positive > the other. No calculations, no logical argument. just some statements out of thin air. Not really a theory, but lets test it. I asked you specifically, HOW MUCH of the matter flows out? > > Your problem is that you don't realize that > there is Nothing of our scale of matter > inside a BH, and you don't realize that > Gravity acts by absorption- not by the > gravitating body sending something out > (unless you want to suggest something that > flows from Matter and "curves" Space?), > and you don't realize that it is the SPIN > of this lower level of Space that affects > matter, not some big pile of whatever. Space spinning? Boy are you confused. > > In fact, you have so many misconceptions that > I don't hold out much hope for you. Sorry, ed. > :) Yes you are definitely trying jm's reversal argument. Accuse your opponents of your own failings. 8^) Why do I bother? ed ed ed
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-10 10:52 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <effb0bf1-bb02-447b-89e3-8e4d1000607e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632818 |
ed "On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 11:14:47 AM UTC-4, john wrote: > ed > The BH is spinning Space. Our matter that > gets drawn in is too fat to fly, > and is shredded and flows out the magnetic > poles that are already there. > The negative charges go out one way, the positive > the other. No calculations, no logical argument. just some statements out of thin air. Not really a theory, but lets test it. I asked you specifically, HOW MUCH of the matter flows out? -ed, I have stated many times- probably right in this thread- that there is NO matter in BHs. So, use your power of deduction- try to answer that yourself. Hint: there is NO matter in BHs. So now, ed, how much of the matter flows out? Hint: NONE stays IN, ed. > > Your problem is that you don't realize that > there is Nothing of our scale of matter > inside a BH, and you don't realize that > Gravity acts by absorption- not by the > gravitating body sending something out > (unless you want to suggest something that > flows from Matter and "curves" Space?), > and you don't realize that it is the SPIN > of this lower level of Space that affects > matter, not some big pile of whatever. Space spinning? Boy are you confused. -ed- I think the above paragraph answered your other question, didn't it? Now tell me, ed, you think Space can "warp", but it can't flow or spin? Why not? > > In fact, you have so many misconceptions that > I don't hold out much hope for you. Sorry, ed. > :) Yes you are definitely trying jm's reversal argument. Accuse your opponents of your own failings. 8^) Why do I bother? ed ed ed -ed, ed, ed
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| From | Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-11 10:57 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <26736c8d-043a-4da9-bb75-f49ff125a659@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632824 |
On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 1:52:59 PM UTC-4, john wrote: > ed > "On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 11:14:47 AM UTC-4, john wrote: > > ed > > The BH is spinning Space. Our matter that > > gets drawn in is too fat to fly, > > and is shredded and flows out the magnetic > > poles that are already there. > > The negative charges go out one way, the positive > > the other. > > No calculations, no logical argument. just some statements > out of thin air. Not really a theory, but lets test it. > > I asked you specifically, HOW MUCH of the matter flows out? > -ed, I have stated many times- probably right > in this thread- that there is NO matter in BHs. > So, use your power of deduction- try to answer > that yourself. Hint: there is NO matter in BHs. > So now, ed, how much of the matter flows out? > Hint: NONE stays IN, ed. Okay, so your theory is blown. While the material ejected has high energy, the mass is much less than the mass flowing in. the remaining mass stays in the black hole. Done. ed
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-11 13:44 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <bba73362-8a2a-425c-9bbb-90f4d540f7c1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #632956 |
ed " Okay, so your theory is blown. While the material ejected has high energy, the mass is much less than the mass flowing in. the remaining mass stays in the black hole. " Says you. Proof? PLUS- is mass variable?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-05-12 01:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <of31ue$19m$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #632967 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >the remaining mass stays in the black hole. >" >Says you. >Proof? Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! Asks the kook who won't even explain why he believes what he believes, much less provide proof of it!!
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-12 05:24 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <2773989f-e804-4276-b2dc-0ec226199c16@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #633001 |
MM " Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! Asks the kook who won't even explain why he believes what he believes, much less provide proof of it!! " Observations, anything to indicate that the jets are only a part of what fell in? No? So, there is a shitload of material coming out- enough to form Quasars, is what I read one expert say. Why would you think that's "splash", or "spray", or "stray orts dropped while eating "? Does that make cents to you? Or dollars? Ur funny, Michael
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-05-12 16:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <of4npm$bp4$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #633042 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >" >Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! >Asks the kook who won't even explain why he believes what he believes, >much less provide proof of it!! " >Observations, anything to indicate that the jets >are only a part of what fell in? >No? We do have observations of a few black hole candidates with jets. I see you still offer no reasons why you believe what you believe, not that I ever expected anything different... >So, there is a shitload of material coming out- >enough to form Quasars, is what I read one >expert say. Why would you think that's "splash", >or "spray", or "stray orts dropped while eating "? There's a shitload of material coming out simply because there are 10 shitloads going in. That's not so hard to understand, is it? As to the energy, a significant percentage of the mass of infalling matter gets converted to energy due to gravitational potential energy. That's many times the energy released by a star like the sun over its entire lifetime, even if the star consumed all its hydrogen. >Does that make cents to you? Or dollars? >Ur funny, Michael Again, the nut who offers no proof or even reasons for his beliefs demands proof from others. That hypocricy is funny.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-13 05:44 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <a52f52e3-c601-42a1-8089-947d9ff6477b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #633057 |
MM "As to the energy, a significant percentage of the mass of infalling matter gets converted to energy due to gravitational potential energy. That's many times the energy released by a star like the sun over its entire lifetime, even if the star consumed all its hydrogen." But, Michael, don't you realize that you have helped MY argument, here? Less mass coming out with more energy, because the rest of the mass got converted and NO MASS stayed behind? Ur funny Michael
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-05-13 14:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <of74vj$bd6$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #633157 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"As to the energy, a significant percentage of the mass of infalling matter >gets converted to energy due to gravitational potential energy. That's >many times the energy released by a star like the sun over its entire >lifetime, even if the star consumed all its hydrogen." >But, Michael, don't you realize that you have >helped MY argument, here? No, I realize no such thing, because I haven't. >Less mass coming out with more energy, >because the rest of the mass got converted >and NO MASS stayed behind? No, John, in order for that mass-energy to get out, you have to add back all that energy that was released to get it out. And that's not going to happen by itself. Just like if you drop a rock and it releases energy when it hits, you have to replace all that energy if you put the rock back to its original location. Remember how I told you how you get a shitload of mass coming out as jets because 10 shitloads of mass fell in? As that 10 shitloads falls in, it releases energy (several percent of the total mass, E=mc^2, so it is an enormous amount), some of that energy gets transferred to a shitload of mass, and that energy ejects that shitload of mass as jets. Now, 9 shitloads of mass, no longer with enough energy to get out, stays behind. The shitload of mass ejected was given enough energy to get back out and still has enough energy left over to be moving at 90% of c. (This is an example; I don't know what percent of infalling mass becomes jets, it's likely quite a bit less than 10%) >Ur funny Michael Not as funny as someone who has no idea what is going on yet thinks he can explain what is going on.
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-13 06:54 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Not even Stephen Hawking believes in (true) black/worm holes anymore. |
| Message-ID | <e0d8c475-5850-4a4d-9caf-96cc7604975b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #633042 |
Poor John says So, there is a shitload of material coming out- enough to form Quasars, is what I read one expert say ---------- Either your 'expert' is an idiot, or more likely you butchered what she said. The black hole with it's periodic displays of relativistic jets *is* the quasar. "quasi-stellar radio source"
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