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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design |
| Subject | Re: PADS schematic into Word doc |
| Date | 2017-05-01 13:41 -0700 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <oe86bv$aqd$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 5/1/2017 1:10 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 05/01/2017 03:55 PM, Don Y wrote:
>> On 5/1/2017 12:46 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>> On 05/01/2017 12:40 PM, Don Y wrote:
>>>> On 5/1/2017 8:53 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>>>> On 05/01/2017 12:16 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 20:43:45 -0700, John Larkin
>>>>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My name is on the title page of the manuals that I write, so
>>>>>>> that's no
>>>>>>> secret. "John's Computer" neither
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These might help:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Remove hidden data and personal information from Office documents"
>>>>>> <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Remove-hidden-data-and-personal-information-from-Office-documents-c2499d69-413c-469b-ace3-cf7e31a85953>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Using the Document Inspector"
>>>>>> <https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ff862071.aspx>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Metadata in MS Office"
>>>>>> <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/11/metadata_in_ms.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Much of this kind of hidden metadata can be exposed using various
>>>>>> readers:
>>>>>> <http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Document_Metadata_Extraction>
>>>>>> <https://www.meridiandiscovery.com/articles/word-last-10-authors-metadata-computer-forensics/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and cleaners:
>>>>>> <http://www.brightfort.com/docscrubber.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not an issue in LaTeX!
>>>>
>>>> Simply because you (nor the previous document's author) didn't opt
>>>> to include any macros to embed "invisible" information in your file(s).
>>>> By way of example(s):
>>>>
>>>> % This is the crappiest piece of hardware we've ever produced!
>>>>
>>>> OR
>>>>
>>>> % sdf[dsfg[psrpos]dlvsl;jtpeoirt'lesmk ;vjsdv
>>>> (same as above, but encoded in a manner that isn't explicitly obvious)
>>>>
>>>> OR
>>>>
>>>> \end{document}
>>>> This was prepared by MagicGloves v1.234 licensed to LKFOIUSFJHS#6%$#
>>>>
>>>> OR
>>>>
>>>> \newcommand{\comment}[1]{}
>>>> ....
>>>> \comment{This customer paid us lots of extra money for a feature
>>>> that is already present in the standard product. We'll make a big
>>>> deal about the feature, here, in THIS copy of the manual, to make
>>>> him think he really got his money worth!}
>>>>
>>>> OR
>>>>
>>>> \usepackage{comment}
>>>> ....
>>>> \begin{comment}
>>>> This feature doesn't really work as advertised; but, the bozos in
>>>> Marketing wanted it included
>>>> \end{comment}
>>>>
>>>> OR
>>>>
>>>> (deliberately exploiting the comment feature)
>>>>
>>>> \usepackage[final]{fixme}
>>>> \fxsetup{layout=footnote, marginclue}
>>>> ....
>>>> \fxnote{We really need to redesign the front end to tamp down the
>>>> noise -- but, no time to do it in this version!}
>>>>
>>>> OR
>>>>
>>>> \iffalse
>>>> Kilroy was here -- but found the place to be pathetic and left!
>>>> \fi
>>>>
>>>> OR
>>>>
>>>> ....
>>>>
>>>> Given that others can originate documents, unless you want to reverse
>>>> engineer *all* of their content, you can never be sure they (or the tool
>>>> preparing the LaTeX) haven't carefully embedded information in the
>>>> document
>>>> in ways that you're not ambitious enough to uncover. That becomes
>>>> MORE of
>>>> a problem as documents are (dynamically) "synthesized" from their PDL's
>>>>
>>>> Obfuscated LaTeX contest?? :>
>>>>
>>>> \let~\catcode~`x13~`q~`x~`z~`q~`H~`q~`B~`H~`j0~`jA009
>>>> jlet~jlet~Hjpar ~Bjmscount~~jdef~x{q bottlez of beer}
>>>> ~jw{x on the wall}~jt{jadvanceAB-1ATake one down Aand
>>>> pass it around,H}B99~ji{jifnumB}~q{ji=0Nojelsejnumber
>>>> Bjfi}~z{ji>1sjfiA }jloop jifnumB>0 jw, x,Hjtjw.jvskip
>>>> 8ptplus1ptjrepeat Time to buy some more beerjdotsjend
>>>
>>> 1. People who are deliberately stupid like that deserve what they get.
>>> With LaTeX you have to shoot yourself in the foot deliberately, whereas
>>> Office does it for you. Nice automation feature. :(
>>>
>>> 2. Stuff in an \iffalse block doesn't appear anywhere in the output.
>>>
>>> 3. You don't have to reverse engineer anything. If nobody is saying
>>> anything stupid in the LaTeX source, nothing stupid winds up in the PDF.
>>
>> That assumes you saddle yourself with having to WRITE LaTeX source!
>
> I much prefer writing LaTeX source to futzing with menus that change
> completely from release to release.
Then don't upgrade the software! What version of LaTeX are you running?
What version of the various macro packages? Don't *they* change??
> I've been doing it for years--I switched my book MS from WordPerfect 5.1
> for DOS to LaTeX about a dozen years ago. Before that I used Script/VS
> and Bookmaster for papers and stuff. The last significant document I
> wrote in Word was my Ph.D. thesis, thirty years ago. (It was Word 1.0
> for Macintosh.)
And I rode a bicycle to grade school. I no longer have time to *waste*
pedaling a dozen or more miles at a time when i can drive it in a few
minutes.
>> Most folks prefer to use tools to avoid having to write everything
>> from scratch. Once you drag a tool into the mix, all bets are
>> off (unless you manually peruse the output of that tool)
>
> You obviously haven't used LaTeX in awhile. GUI enthusiasts (of whom I
> am not one) can use TeXStudio and have markup in one window and WYSIWYG
> in the other. Personally I just use my favourite programmer's editor,
> xx. One nice thing about that is that I can just blast away and not
> worry about the program doing something stupid. Another is that it
> makes version control super easy--I can use
>
> git diff HEAD~1
>
> to see what I did last, for instance.
>
>> E.g., FrameMaker produces MIF -- which is just as readable as
>> any other markup language. But, I'd be silly to waste my time
>> reading it -- or WRITING it!
>
> Well, if you're bad at it, that's a problem just like being bad at any
> other useful skill.
And, if your good at killing people with a bow and arrow?
A classic problem with technical people is clinging to old tools because
they place continued value on the (typ obsolete) skills that they honed
with them -- instead of moving on to more productive ones.
I can write really clever ASM for certain processors. Or, I can
get a lot of work done (in a HLL/IDE)! :>
I can type a bunch of characters and draw a cubic bezier:
\qbezier(x1, y1)(x2, y2)(x3, y3)
Render it. Then, go back and twiddle them. Rerender. Twiddle
some more. etc. Until I get something that approximates the
curve I desire.
Or, I can use a tool that lets me manipulate control points
graphically and *see* what I am doing WHILE I am doing it.
Which way do you think gets me (or anyone) to their desired
goal quickest?
I can write HTML in ed(1). Then, render it in a browser. Then,
go back and fix my (inevitable) syntax errors and tweak it to
get closer to my goal.
Or, I can let a tool that is designed for that purpose give
me more *direct* control over the results.
Adding a tool almost always increases productivity. But,
opens the door for the *tool* (or its designers) to decide
how to best represent your ideas.
I don't *tell* FrameMaker to put my name (or any author's name)
in my documents. Or the date. But, it does. So, if I don't want
it there, *I* have to take steps to elide it before releasing the
document. This is infinitely easier than writing MIF (its markup
language) directly -- to ensure nothing "unexpected" gets into the
document in the first place.
But, hey, if you like balancing parens/braces and remembering
cryptic abbreviations, go for it! :>
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Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-04-29 07:27 -0700
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Re: PADS schematic into Word doc rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 11:17 -0400
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-04-29 12:13 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc krw@notreal.com - 2017-04-28 23:10 -0400
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-04-29 06:45 -0500
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Dimitrij Klingbeil <nospam@no-address.com> - 2017-04-29 16:48 +0200
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-04-29 08:26 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-04-29 10:31 -0400
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Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-04-29 13:01 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-04-30 09:53 -0500
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-04-30 12:15 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-04-30 12:16 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-04-30 14:42 -0500
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-04-30 13:25 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-04-30 13:25 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-04-30 13:51 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-04-30 15:32 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-04-30 19:20 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-04-30 20:43 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-04-30 21:11 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-04-30 21:16 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-05-01 11:53 -0400
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-01 09:40 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-01 11:31 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-01 12:25 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-05-01 15:46 -0400
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-01 12:55 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-05-01 16:10 -0400
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-01 13:41 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-05-01 11:14 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-05-01 15:48 -0400
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-01 11:28 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-05-01 15:59 -0400
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-01 13:25 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-05-01 16:31 -0400
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-01 13:49 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-05-01 17:54 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-01 19:22 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-05-01 20:16 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-02 07:35 -0500
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-02 20:17 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-05-01 21:31 -0400
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-01 23:39 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-02 11:35 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-03 08:09 +1000
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-04-30 21:41 +0000
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-04-30 15:26 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-01 04:17 +0000
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-01 10:05 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-01 11:38 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-04 10:18 +0000
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-04 07:19 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-04 17:17 +0000
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-05-11 05:39 +0000
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-11 09:10 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-04-30 15:12 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-01 00:08 -0500
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-01 09:11 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-01 17:48 -0500
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-01 18:30 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-04-29 20:56 +0100
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-04-29 12:51 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-04-29 13:36 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-04-29 14:09 -0700
Re: PADS schematic into Word doc Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-04-30 08:33 -0400
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