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| From | Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: High level language for writing Forth |
| Date | 2017-04-21 22:45 +0100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <odduck$p6h$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 4/21/2017 21:29, Rudy Velthuis wrote:
> Alex wrote:
>
>> On 4/21/2017 15:07, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> Rudy Velthuis <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> wrote:
>>>> Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/20/17 7:02 AM, Rudy Velthuis wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So an assembler core and the rest in Forth.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not organized that way. There are a couple of files of
>>>>> assembler primitives (using the Forth assembler) and a lot more
>>>>> files of high-level Forth words using them. Most of the core is
>>>>> high level.
>>>>
>>>> But it is still an assembler core with the rest in Forth. What you
>>>> consider "core" may be different. Fact is that there is "a core"
>>>> of assembler words on which the rest builds.
>>>
>>> It's never felt that way to me. Code written in Forth's assembler
>>> is still Forth: it's low-level Forth, or something. Forth's
>>> assembly language, with its integration with the high-level
>>> language and macros etc isn't plain old assembly. So I think it's
>>> fair to say "It's all Forth", just as a C compiler written in C
>>> bootstraps itself.
>>>
>>> Andrew.
>>>
>>
>> Especially when you can write code like this.
>>
>> code dup3+
>> ] dup [
>> add eax 3
>> next; ok
>> 10 dup3+ .s [2] 10 13 ok[2]
>
> So you can inline the assembly. That's fine. It is still (x-86, in this
> case) assembly. <shrug>
>
It's the other way round. The assembler is inlining Forth.
Actually, it's all Forth. Or assembler. Or even Forth assembler with
Forth. Who knows?
also assembler
code adup3+ ] dup [ add eax 3 next;
: bdup3+ dup [ add eax 3 ] ;
: cdup3+ dup 3 + ;
code adup3+ ( ? -- ? )
\ adup3+ is defined in c:/w32f/v608/test1.fs at line 3
\ call compiled
\ code=$41BEDB len=9 type=129
( $0 ) mov dword { $-4 ebp } eax \ 8945FC
( $3 ) sub ebp $4 \ 83ED04
( $6 ) add eax $3 \ 83C003
( $9 ) ret \ C3 ( end )
: bdup3+ ( ? -- ? )
\ bdup3+ is defined in c:/w32f/v608/test1.fs at line 4
\ call compiled
\ code=$41BEEA len=9 type=130
( $0 ) mov dword { $-4 ebp } eax \ 8945FC
( $3 ) sub ebp $4 \ 83ED04
( $6 ) add eax $3 \ 83C003
( $9 ) ret \ C3 ( end )
: cdup3+ ( ? -- ? )
\ cdup3+ is defined in c:/w32f/v608/test1.fs at line 5
\ call compiled
\ code=$41BEF9 len=9 type=130
( $0 ) mov dword { $-4 ebp } eax \ 8945FC
( $3 ) sub ebp $4 \ 83ED04
( $6 ) add eax $3 \ 83C003
( $9 ) ret \ C3 ( end )
Identical.
--
Alex
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Re: High level language for writing Forth "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-04-20 00:24 +0000
Re: High level language for writing Forth "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-19 14:42 -1000
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Re: High level language for writing Forth "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-04-21 09:42 +0000
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Re: High level language for writing Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-05 21:54 +0100
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