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| From | "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Nothing's great about Forth |
| Date | 2017-04-04 10:45 +0000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <obvtgp$k45$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
| References | <SPGdnQm88MTmrFXFnZ2dnUU7-VfNnZ2d@supernews.com> |
On 3/14/2017, Andrew Haley wrote: Nothing's great about Forth > I found this at http://www.paulgraham.com/popular.html Graham was writing about Lispy languages, not about the ultra low-level and clunky language called Forth. > You can write programs to > solve common problems with very little code. Forth fails. > Nearly all the code in > any program you write is code that's specific to your > application. Everything else has been done for you. Forth fails. > Using big abstractions you can write the first version of a program > very quickly. Later, when you want to optimize, there's a really > good profiler that tells you where to focus your attention. Forth fails. > There are lots of good examples to learn from, and the language is > intuitive enough that you can learn how to use it from examples in a > couple minutes. You don't need to look in the manual much. The > manual is thin, and has few warnings and qualifications. Forth fails. > The language has a small core, and powerful, highly orthogonal > libraries that are as carefully designed as the core language. The > libraries all work well together; everything in the language fits > together like the parts in a fine camera. Nothing is deprecated, or > retained for compatibility. The source code of all the libraries is > readily available. It's easy to talk to the operating system and to > applications written in other languages. Forth fails. Forth lacks: string-handling functions a regular-expression engine arrays lists associative arrays (hash-tables) structures (records) tuples closures a sort command pattern-matching etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., ... Forth is not at a much higher level than assembly language. Forth is only for those whose minds cannot comprehend high-level languages. Gavotte finds it awe-inspiring.
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What's so great about Forth, anyway? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-14 13:07 -0500
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 11:54 -0700
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 15:53 -0400
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Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 07:47 -0700
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Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 15:09 +0300
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Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 17:24 +0300
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Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 15:30 +0300
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Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-04 16:35 +0000
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-05 11:46 -0700
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-03-28 16:12 -1000
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-29 11:59 +0000
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-29 10:24 +0000
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2017-04-04 04:05 -0700
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 13:18 -0700
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? NN <november.nihal@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 12:20 -0700
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 19:52 -0700
Nothing's great about Forth "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-04-04 10:45 +0000
Re: Nothing's great about Forth Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 08:00 -0700
Re: Nothing's great about Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 08:16 -0700
Re: Nothing's great about Forth Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 09:11 -0700
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