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Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault

From Alla <vitale.alla@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault
Date 2017-03-28 12:34 +0300
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On 3/28/17 00:27, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 27/03/17 21:28, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes:
>>
>>> On 27/03/17 16:01, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>> Which of these is easier?
>>>>>
>>>>> if(x == y)
>>>>> if(y == x)
>>>>
>>>> Given that neither expression includes an integer constant,
>>>> methink you're moving the goalposts.
>>>
>>> I'd be very surprised to hear that people find integer constants
>>> harder to read than other identifiers.
>>
>> Having moved the goalposts you are now begging the question!
>
> No, I don't think so (on either charge). People aren't saying "3" is
> hard to read. They are saying "3==x" is harder to read than "x==3". What
> I'm curious to know is /why/.
>
> To that end, I asked whether people have more trouble reading x==y than
> y==x (or indeed more trouble reading y==x than x==y). If so, why? And if
> not, then why would they have more trouble reading 3==x than x==3?
>
I will dare to jump into this discussion only for a brief comment, if I 
may.

I have merely skimmed through the whole topic, and I don't understand 
the point of argument - why would any of you continue arguing on this 
minor issue at all. Both approaches are correct, and any of you simply 
use the one you find better for your purposes.

Here is my penny into this topic as I surprisingly have not seen this 
type of explanation, but I do hope I will not kindle another wave of 
mainly subjective, and not that much C related discussion.

x == 3 is a more "readable", or "pleasant", to a human eye way to 
express the statement, because this is a deeply-bred human convention of 
how we perceive statements containing variables, and this perception is 
fostered from childhood when people first encounter math. As x is the 
variable term here, and 3 is a constant, by writing x == 3 we are 
stressing that x is the variable under our investigation, and not 3, 
which is constant and will not change; and as we are questioning the 
value of x, we put it on the first place, which is a merely visual, 
lexicographical, or psychological, if you wish, convention of our 
perception.

Only because of such perception (not a rule, not a matter of true or 
false, but perception) it is not the same to write
x == 3, 3 == x
and
x == y, y == x,
because in the latter case both values are not constants, they are 
variables, and hence x == y and y == x is perceived in the same way 
(though depending on the context, of course).

But again both approaches carry the same logical value, and none is the 
only correct approach. Hence there is no point of argument here.

Respectfully,

Alla

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                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-24 13:55 +0000
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                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-03-23 16:33 -0600
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-23 20:45 -0400
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-24 10:01 +0000
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-24 09:27 -0400
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-24 13:53 +0000
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-24 10:32 -0400
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-24 14:42 +0000
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-24 12:56 -0400
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-03-24 08:45 -0700
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      Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-03-23 11:52 -0600
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            Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-03-23 12:41 -0600
            Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-23 11:48 -0700
              Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault acidlategamer@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 11:59 -0700
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-23 12:35 -0700
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault acidlategamer@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 12:48 -0700
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-23 13:24 -0700
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-03-23 20:46 +0000
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