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Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault

From Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault
Date 2017-03-25 16:54 -0500
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Richard Bos wrote:
> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>
>> And then you can safely cast your pointer if you want C++
>> compatibility - the risk of introducing a mistake here is very
>> small.  People who let their compilers use implicit declarations of
>> functions without proper #includes and without warnings should find
>> themselves a new career.
>
> Well, except that the main danger of superfluous casts is _not_ that
> they might introduce bugs in the program. They rarely by accident;
> at most, an already wildly confused programmer might use them to
> force a compiler to accept major hackery involving pointer aliasing,
> but both such code and such programmers are broken, anyway, and the
> casts are merely a symptom. They don't introduct _new_ bugs.
>
> No, the real danger in superfluous casts is that they make the
> programmer think "oh, yawn, another cast, probably another malloc()
> call written by a C++ programmer - just ignore it", when what he
> _should_ think on seeing a cast is "Whoop! Whoop! Red alert! Someone
> is doing something unusual with the type system! Better be extra
> certain that what happens here is correct." Note that assigning the
> void * you get from malloc() to any other type of object pointer is
> _not_ something unusual with the type system, does _not_ need more
> attention than any other assignment, and therefore does not warrant
> the cast. Putting a cast there means depreciating the warning value
> of all appropriate casts. _That_ is the danger: not in the code, but
> in the mind of the programmer.
>
> Stop the brain rot. Do not cast malloc().
>

You sort-of, semi-have-to if you're doing a certain class of
C things using a C++ compiler. Intermixed code bases exist.
I don't remember specifically, but it may be that new/delete work in
C code for most C++ compilers, but then that precludes reusing a module 
with different toolchains.

Things like FFTW have casts all over the place, but provide typed
mallocs for those who wish to use them. They do not use them in
their example code.

I haven't seen a bug that would have been improved on by stronger
typing in ages. Software defects *are a cultural problem, not a
problem of technology*. People decide to trade things like technical 
debt for other things like money.  So it goes.

Of course, if you're in a culture where it's expected, then that's
different, but there's very little empirical support for it in my book.
That's the violation of an arbitrary cultural norm, which is hardly even
a venal sin.

I can say that here, because I have my C programmer hat on.
Sloppy typing is just a way of life in C. The problem is
that the C language itself naturally limits team size. That's
nature's way of telling you to be humble in what you try to accomplish.


> Richard
>

-- 
Les Cargill

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                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-24 13:55 +0000
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                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-03-23 16:33 -0600
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-23 20:45 -0400
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-24 10:01 +0000
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-24 09:27 -0400
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-24 13:53 +0000
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-24 10:32 -0400
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-24 14:42 +0000
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-24 12:56 -0400
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-03-24 08:45 -0700
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      Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-03-23 11:52 -0600
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            Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-03-23 12:41 -0600
            Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-23 11:48 -0700
              Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault acidlategamer@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 11:59 -0700
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-23 12:35 -0700
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault acidlategamer@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 12:48 -0700
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-23 13:24 -0700
                Re: My C program does not compile or gives segmentation fault scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-03-23 20:46 +0000
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