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Re: More problems with lcc-win

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: More problems with lcc-win
Date 2017-03-22 10:35 +0100
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On 21/03/17 22:08, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-03-21, David Brown wrote:
>> On 20/03/17 20:31, bart4858@gmail.com wrote:
> ...
>>> A world dominated by Unix, Linux, Bash, configure, shell commands,
>>> wildcard expansions, casE sensitive (case sensitive for those who ..
>>> never mind), /etc, root, C language+gcc+Linux so tightly bound
>>> together you cannot prise them apart, auto-conf tools, appallingly
>>> bad keyboard support, a million different distributions, a hundred
>>> different desktop GUIs - or none at all.....?
>>>
>>> More like the stuff of nightmares. If it happened, then time to give
>>> up programming and do more work in the garden I think.
>>
>> A world dominated by /any/ single OS is the stuff of nightmares.
>> Variety and competition leads to progress, innovation, and swapping
>> inspiration and ideas between systems.  Windows copies freely from MacOS
>> and *nix (though it took them 20 years to realise that IT professionals
>> need a decent command line, and 30 years to realise that virtual
>> desktops are useful), just as MacOS and *nix copy ideas from Windows and
>> each other.
> 
> Some of us Unix fiends would prefer if that competition came from some
> new, /interesting/ OS, and wasn't based on monopoly-like situations.

I can agree on that.  It is hard for completely new OS's to gain
traction in the marketplace, at least in the PC world (the embedded
world has vary more varied needs, and far more varied OS's).  But there
has been a lot of fine ideas from systems like AmigaOS, RiscOS, Next,
BeOS, etc. (Sorry if the capitalisation is not correct on some of these.)

> 
>> But of all your rants above, the one I cannot comprehend is "bad
>> keyboard support".  Here are a few things I can type directly with my
>> keyboard in Linux that I cannot do with Windows (I've got a Norwegian
>> keyboard layout, so both systems can write ÅØÆ):
> ...
>>
>> And if I want to change them, or add new keys, it's just a simple change
>> to a text file.
> 
> I suspect you're not talking about x.org's XKB, which almost drove me
> crazy trying to understand it well enough to add a few things[0].
> 
> And I still haven't figured out how to let each user choose her keymap,
> without using one of those Windows-like desktop environments.

Sorry - I use Gnome2, Mate or Cinnamon for most purposes, which make it
fairly easy to change languages or keymaps.  (I use the command line
heavily within these - but I don't use plain terminals much except for
serious recovery work, or setting up systems that are normally
headless.)  And while I have a few computers that are shared amongst
different users, they also share the keyboard and therefore the keyboard
setup!

> 
> Still wouldn't call it "appallingly bad keyboard support" though. I
> wonder what Bart is referring to.
> 
> /Jorgen
> 
> [0] More things than I wanted to/could add via xmodmap(1). I use an
>     English layout, but with the latin-1 extras and some other symbols
>     on Alt-<key>, like the xterm eightBitInput option.
> 

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  Re: More problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-15 11:27 +0100
    Re: More problems with lcc-win scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-03-15 13:18 +0000
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      Re: More problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-15 16:46 +0100
        Re: More problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-15 17:07 +0100
          Re: More problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-15 09:52 -0700
            Re: More problems with lcc-win scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-03-15 16:57 +0000
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                Re: More problems with lcc-win scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-03-15 18:17 +0000
            Re: More problems with lcc-win Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-15 17:21 +0000
              Re: More problems with lcc-win GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 18:42 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-03-15 18:20 +0000
                Re: More problems with lcc-win Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-15 18:59 +0000
                Re: More problems with lcc-win BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-15 18:20 +0000
                Re: More problems with lcc-win GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 19:39 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-15 12:44 -0700
                Re: More problems with lcc-win BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-15 20:19 +0000
                Re: More problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-16 10:03 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-16 11:15 +0000
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                Re: More problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-16 13:41 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 08:52 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-16 09:57 +0100
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                Re: More problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-16 08:59 -0700
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                Re: More problems with lcc-win Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-15 20:39 +0000
            Re: More problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-15 23:56 +0100
        Re: More problems with lcc-win Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-15 16:33 +0000
          Re: More problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-15 17:47 +0100
            Re: More problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-15 10:04 -0700
              Re: More problems with lcc-win jacob navia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-16 00:52 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-15 18:02 -0700
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                Re: More problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-17 13:45 -0700
                Re: More problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-18 00:23 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-18 00:29 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-18 00:31 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-17 17:01 -0700
                Re: More problems with lcc-win Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-20 16:41 +0000
                Re: More problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-20 18:32 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-20 18:18 +0000
                Re: More problems with lcc-win bart4858@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 12:31 -0700
                Re: More problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-20 21:05 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-20 20:45 +0000
                Re: More problems with lcc-win Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-03-20 20:18 +0000
                Re: More problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-21 09:56 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2017-03-21 21:08 +0000
                Re: More problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-21 22:19 +0100
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                Re: More problems with lcc-win gordonb.1neik@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2017-03-21 18:45 -0500
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                Re: More problems with lcc-win mertesthomas@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 06:28 -0700
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                Re: More problems with lcc-win mertesthomas@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 14:53 -0700
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                Re: More problems with lcc-win GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 20:18 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win mertesthomas@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 00:44 -0700
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                Re: More problems with lcc-win GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 15:15 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win mertesthomas@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 11:39 -0700
                Re: More problems with lcc-win GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 20:11 +0100
                Re: More problems with lcc-win BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-18 19:45 +0000
                Re: More problems with lcc-win mertesthomas@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 00:35 -0700
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                Re: More problems with lcc-win GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 03:21 +0100
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  Re: More problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-15 13:06 +0100
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  Re: More problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-15 08:24 -0700
    Re: More problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-15 16:47 +0100
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