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Re: Measuring time and light

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Measuring time and light
Date 2017-02-14 13:35 -0600
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On 2/14/2017 8:48 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 6:43:37 AM UTC-6, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 2/13/2017 9:56 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 3:43:22 PM UTC-6, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 2/12/2017 9:26 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
>>>>> I'm not immersing myself into any community.  I'm not a joiner.  I'm just citing FACTS and EVIDENCE and
>>>>> looking for comments.  If some "community" disagrees with me and requires that I join their "community"
>>>>> before they will discuss anything, then I tell them I'm not interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> If that community persists in DEMANDING that I join their community, I will persist in turning them down.
>>>>> When they call me names, it just confirms that I do not want to be part of any such "community," since name
>>>>> calling just means they have no intelligent arguments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, the discussions here occasionally give me worthwhile feedback, and when I explain the same thing
>>>>> in a dozen different ways it helps me to understand things better myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> Ed, let me put it to you this way. Language is for the purpose of
>>>> communication. The same word will have different meanings depending on
>>>> context. If you elect to insist that a word being used in materials
>>>> about physics do not mean what physicists say they mean, then the
>>>> mismatch between your conclusions and their conclusions are going to
>>>> stem from simply not being able to communicate. Here, you are declaring
>>>> that you have NO INTEREST in communicating about physics, using physics
>>>> terms.
>>>>
>>>> If a sailor came to you and pointed down the companionway, saying
>>>> "There's where the head is," and you simply REFUSE to think of "head" as
>>>> anything other than what sits at the end of a neck, then it isn't the
>>>> sailor that's being obstinate, it's you. And the only person that loses
>>>> in that exchange is YOU.
>>>
>>> In reality, of course, if the sailor says "There's where the head is," I can
>>> ask, "Head?  What do you mean by 'head'?"  And he will be able to EXPLAIN,
>>> "I mean 'the toilet'."  He will not likely call me "a moron" because I do not
>>> know that on a ship the "head" is the "toilet."  That would only show that the
>>> sailor is an obnoxious jerk who cannot communicate with others.  And if the
>>> captain overheard the conversation, the sailor would soon be out of a job.
>>>
>>> In YOUR world, when a stranger comes to town and asks where the nearest bank
>>> is, everyone should call him a moron and tell him he should have studied the
>>> town before coming to town.  And the stranger realizes he is in a town full
>>> of obnoxious jerks where he does not want to stay and should leave as soon as possible.
>>
>> I think you're catching my drift.
>> Now notice that when you came on this group, you did not ask, "What do
>> you mean by 'observer'?" Instead, you said, "In THIS universe, an
>> observer is a human being." This would be like you walking onto the ship
>> and saying, "In THIS universe, a head appears at the end of a neck." At
>> which point, the sailor and his captain both might accurately assess you
>> as an arrogant know-nothing well out if his element and escort you off
>> the vessel before you hurt yourself or someone else.
>>
>> I'll also comment that you have formulated your own idea of what time
>> dilation his, even before reading and understanding Einstein's original
>> paper on the subject. This would be analogous to you announcing to the
>> captain that his understanding of how the vessel operates is incorrect
>> and that you have submitted an article on how marine vessels work, even
>> as you confess that have not learned the basics of nautical traveling
>> except from YouTube.
>>
>> Now, sir, who is being the obnoxious jerk here again?
>
> When I came to this forum, I didn't realize there was a Gang of Mathematicians

Again, please do not use disparaging terms here. It's rude. This is a 
group of people with *physics* background, not mathematicians. The line 
you draw between what you call physicists and what you call 
mathematicians is not shared by anyone but you.

> who claimed this forum as their turf and felt they had the right to establish
> all the rules for posting here.
>
> I still do not recognize this "authority" of this Mathematics Gang to decide
> what terms can be used here and which cannot.

It's just a matter of choice on your part whether you want to be 
understood or not. If you want to use words that physicists use, but you 
have your own private meaning to them, or you choose not to use the 
meaning that physicists have, then you are electing not to be 
understood. Then you should not wonder when people dispute the things 
you say, because you are using words differently than how they 
understand them.

>
> I talked about "THIS universe" as a way of distinguishing "THIS universe" from
> the Mathematics Gang's universe where there are only two space ships and no one
> knows who is moving and who is standing still, or if both are moving.

I think you are still amiss here. It is PHYSICISTS who say that the only 
motion is RELATIVE motion and that it is impossible to say whether 
anything is moving or not unless you specify "with respect to what". If 
you believe otherwise, I would suggest you try asserting which object in 
the universe is stationary, and how that was (or would be) determined.

This is not a statement of mathematicians. It is a statement of PHYSICISTS.

>
> Who is the "captain" of the Mathematics Gang?  Tom Roberts?  What is
> "Odd Bodkin's" role?  Grand Inquisitor?

If you're not prepared to defend some of the things you say, then why 
are you here?

>
> I started this thread in hopes of getting away from the Mathematics Gang.
> But, you clearly assume you own the whole forum.

This is an open forum where, when you post, you are implicitly welcoming 
responses from anyone and everyone on the group. This does not involve 
any authority.

I respond a lot to you. I respond not at all to some others. In what way 
does that constitute me being some kind of cop?

If you want to find a place where you can control who engages you in 
conversation, you can do a blog. Oh, wait, you have that already.

>
> Well, I don't recognize your "authority," so I'm going to continue to try
> to have an intelligent conversation about time dilation here.
>
> Ed
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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  Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:47 -0800
    Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 18:28 -0800
  Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:53 -0800
    Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 12:41 -0800
      Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 13:37 -0800
        Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-09 14:40 -0800
        Re: Measuring time and light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 15:00 -0800
          Re: Measuring time and light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-02-10 00:30 +0100
          Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-10 06:44 -0800
            Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 11:03 -0800
              Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-10 12:50 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 13:51 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-10 16:09 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 08:37 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 20:43 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 07:44 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 07:51 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 08:25 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 08:31 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 08:39 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 08:45 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:34 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 07:07 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 09:39 -0600
            Re: Measuring time and light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 10:22 -0800
              Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 10:47 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 12:56 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 13:50 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 13:58 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 14:03 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 14:26 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 14:27 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 16:30 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 07:31 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-15 06:27 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 06:31 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 16:06 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-15 17:48 +0000
                Re: Measuring time and light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-15 07:11 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 07:31 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 09:53 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:12 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-12 06:43 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 07:56 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 08:06 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 08:27 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 08:43 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 07:17 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 07:35 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 07:45 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 08:18 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 08:27 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 08:29 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 08:35 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 08:55 -0800
              Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 12:36 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 21:57 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 13:03 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 22:36 +0100
            Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:38 -0600
              Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 13:56 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:37 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 07:43 -0800
            Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 07:58 -0800
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                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 08:34 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 09:22 -0800
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                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-16 07:49 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 11:37 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 21:17 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 13:11 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 22:28 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 14:47 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 23:59 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-17 06:56 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 13:17 -0800
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                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 14:55 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 22:35 +0100
        Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 18:39 -0800
          Re: Measuring time and light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-09 23:35 -0800
            Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 11:45 +0100
              Re: Measuring time and light Emmaline Coots <ealoa@loealoioa.los> - 2017-02-10 11:57 +0000
              Re: Measuring time and light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-10 04:04 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Emmaline Coots <ealoa@loealoioa.los> - 2017-02-10 12:13 +0000
      Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 18:33 -0800
      Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:38 -0600
        Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 13:47 -0800
          Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 16:24 -0800
            Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 07:26 -0800
              Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:43 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 07:56 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 09:57 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 06:43 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 06:48 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 07:04 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 07:42 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 07:57 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 07:46 -0800
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                Re: Measuring time and light paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 08:46 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 09:22 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:37 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 09:52 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 11:10 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 12:47 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 15:05 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-15 06:37 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 13:07 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 11:22 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 13:10 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 15:54 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-15 07:10 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 14:58 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 07:04 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-16 07:26 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 07:32 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 08:34 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-17 06:56 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 09:11 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-17 14:48 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 11:10 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-18 13:05 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 15:08 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-17 07:05 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 09:24 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-17 08:57 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 18:23 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-17 12:47 -0800
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                Re: Measuring time and light Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-18 19:55 +0000
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                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-17 14:29 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-17 22:36 +0000
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 12:20 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-17 13:32 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 13:58 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-17 14:24 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 23:54 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 15:02 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-02-18 00:22 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 18:59 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 21:13 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 08:50 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 09:15 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 10:04 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 07:25 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:56 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 07:13 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-18 07:17 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-18 07:24 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:27 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 07:59 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 08:37 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 09:25 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-18 12:03 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 10:57 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 10:57 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 09:39 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 11:46 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 10:57 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 11:10 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-02-18 20:30 +0000
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-19 08:25 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-02-17 20:25 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 10:57 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 09:20 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 11:38 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 09:52 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 12:01 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 11:54 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 10:08 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 12:17 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 10:31 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 13:20 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 14:39 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-02-18 15:24 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-18 15:35 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-02-18 15:44 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:02 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-02-18 16:16 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:59 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-19 08:38 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-19 09:43 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-19 09:57 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-19 10:06 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-19 10:17 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-19 10:01 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:10 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:15 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-19 08:31 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 12:10 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 13:54 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 13:35 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 13:32 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 15:39 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 15:47 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 18:11 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 08:13 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 09:43 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 19:21 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 12:45 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 21:58 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 22:03 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-16 23:13 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 14:16 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 14:34 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 23:41 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-16 23:11 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 12:00 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 13:24 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 22:41 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 14:12 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 23:28 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 15:05 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 15:09 -0800
              Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 16:19 -0800
          Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:39 -0600
            Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 07:46 -0800
              Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 14:42 -0600
  Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 12:34 -0800
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  Re: Measuring time and light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-11 13:01 -0800
  Re: Measuring time and light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-11 13:05 -0800
  Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:38 -0600
    Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 13:46 -0800
      Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:30 -0600
        Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 06:46 -0800
          Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 08:56 -0600
  Re: Measuring time and light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-11 13:56 -0800
  Re: Measuring time and light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-11 14:03 -0800
  Re: Measuring time and light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-11 14:59 -0800
  Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 07:52 -0800
    Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 08:08 -0800
      Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 06:55 -0800
      Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 07:05 -0800
        Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 07:31 -0800
          Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 11:18 -0800
            Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 07:52 -0600
          Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 08:34 -0600
        Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 08:07 -0600
  Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-16 13:43 -0800
    Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 14:17 -0800
      Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-16 15:32 -0800
        Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 16:16 -0800
          Re: Measuring time and light benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 20:00 -0500

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