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Re: Measuring time and light

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Measuring time and light
Date	2017-02-12 15:34 -0600
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On 2/12/2017 9:44 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 8:43:55 PM UTC-6, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 2/10/2017 2:50 PM, Ed Lake wrote:
>>> The velocity of light is NOT ALTERED when you add the velocity of light to the velocity of an approaching observer.
>>> The velocity of the approaching observer doesn't affect the speed of light.  How can it?  It's silly.  All that is
>>> happening is that EQUIPMENT used by the approaching observer adds together the oncoming speed of light and the
>>> observer's speed to produce a "closing speed" or a "composite speed."  NEITHER SPEED IS ACTUALLY CHANGED BY ADDING
>>> THEM TOGETHER.
>>
>> I'm fascinated by your argument that the equipment adds these two speeds
>> together. How exactly is this sum performed? Is there a calculator
>> internally that adds it up? Furthermore, if the equipment is fixed
>> relative to the observer, how does it know what speed it has? How does
>> it determine what number to add to the speed of light?
>
> We have instruments that can tell us how fast our space ship is moving relative to the stars and planets around the
> ship.  It's done with trigonometry.  Are you suggesting that we do not know how fast our rockets and satellites are traveling?

Depends on with respect to what. You say "relative to the stars and 
planets around".

Let's take the Earth, Ed. Surely (according to you) we know how fast the 
Earth is moving "relative to the stars and planets". Tell me how fast 
that is, and tell me which "stars and planets" you are using to 
determine that.

>
> We have no way to precisely measure the speed of light coming from some distant source, of course, but many people
> (including you) seem to think it is easy to do.  If we had such a device, HYPOTHETICALLY, it would be a simple matter
> to add that speed to the speed of our ship to produce c + v.

Which produces an answer about WHAT, exactly? Should this correspond to 
the speed of the incoming light relative to the observer?

>
> Engineers design the equipment to track the speed of the ship.

Speed of the ship relative to what? If you say "just the speed", then 
I'm going to ask you what you mean by that.

>  A programmer programs the equipment to do the
> computations.  Easy peasy.  Where's the problem?
>
> Ed
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Thread

Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 09:28 -0800
  Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:47 -0800
    Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 18:28 -0800
  Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:53 -0800
    Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 12:41 -0800
      Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 13:37 -0800
        Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-09 14:40 -0800
        Re: Measuring time and light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 15:00 -0800
          Re: Measuring time and light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-02-10 00:30 +0100
          Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-10 06:44 -0800
            Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 11:03 -0800
              Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-10 12:50 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 13:51 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-10 16:09 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 08:37 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 20:43 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 07:44 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 07:51 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 08:25 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 08:31 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 08:39 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 08:45 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:34 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 07:07 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 09:39 -0600
            Re: Measuring time and light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 10:22 -0800
              Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 10:47 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 12:56 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 13:50 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 13:58 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 14:03 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 14:26 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 14:27 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 16:30 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 07:31 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-15 06:27 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 06:31 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 16:06 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-15 17:48 +0000
                Re: Measuring time and light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-15 07:11 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 07:31 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 09:53 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:12 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-12 06:43 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 07:56 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 08:06 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 08:27 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 08:43 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 07:17 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 07:35 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 07:45 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 08:18 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 08:27 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 08:29 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 08:35 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 08:55 -0800
              Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 12:36 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 21:57 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 13:03 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 22:36 +0100
            Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:38 -0600
              Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 13:56 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:37 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 07:43 -0800
            Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 07:58 -0800
              Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 08:10 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 08:34 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 09:22 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 07:11 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 07:44 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-16 07:49 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 11:37 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 21:17 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 13:11 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 22:28 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 14:47 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 23:59 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-17 06:56 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 13:17 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Python <python@python.invalid> - 2017-02-16 22:23 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 14:55 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 22:35 +0100
        Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 18:39 -0800
          Re: Measuring time and light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-09 23:35 -0800
            Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 11:45 +0100
              Re: Measuring time and light Emmaline Coots <ealoa@loealoioa.los> - 2017-02-10 11:57 +0000
              Re: Measuring time and light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-10 04:04 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Emmaline Coots <ealoa@loealoioa.los> - 2017-02-10 12:13 +0000
      Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 18:33 -0800
      Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:38 -0600
        Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 13:47 -0800
          Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 16:24 -0800
            Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-12 07:26 -0800
              Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:43 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 07:56 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 09:57 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 06:43 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 06:48 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 07:04 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 07:42 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 07:57 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 07:46 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-14 08:28 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 08:46 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 09:22 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:37 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 09:52 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 11:10 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 12:47 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 15:05 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-15 06:37 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 13:07 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 11:22 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 13:10 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 15:54 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-15 07:10 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 14:58 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 07:04 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-16 07:26 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 07:32 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 08:34 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-17 06:56 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 09:11 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-17 14:48 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 11:10 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-02-18 13:05 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 15:08 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-17 07:05 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 09:24 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-17 08:57 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 18:23 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-17 12:47 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 13:34 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-17 13:45 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-02-18 14:48 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-18 06:06 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-18 14:10 +0000
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 07:51 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-18 18:00 +0000
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 10:12 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 12:19 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-18 19:55 +0000
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 12:57 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 15:07 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-18 15:07 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 15:52 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-19 09:15 +0000
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 06:28 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-19 08:16 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 07:42 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemoveandReplaceATkevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-02-19 16:54 +0000
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-19 09:03 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 18:16 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-19 09:39 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 18:52 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-19 10:17 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 19:43 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 19:51 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-19 10:55 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 11:05 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 20:13 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 10:09 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-17 22:22 +0000
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 22:58 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-17 14:29 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-17 22:36 +0000
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 12:20 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-17 13:32 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 13:58 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-17 14:24 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 23:54 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 15:02 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-02-18 00:22 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 18:59 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 21:13 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 08:50 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 09:15 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 10:04 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 07:25 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:56 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 07:13 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-18 07:17 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-18 07:24 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:27 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 07:59 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 08:37 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 09:25 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-18 12:03 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 10:57 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 10:57 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 09:39 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 11:46 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 10:57 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 11:10 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-02-18 20:30 +0000
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-19 08:25 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-02-17 20:25 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 10:57 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 09:20 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 11:38 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 09:52 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 12:01 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 11:54 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 10:08 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 12:17 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-18 10:31 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 13:20 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 14:39 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-02-18 15:24 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-18 15:35 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-02-18 15:44 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:02 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-02-18 16:16 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:59 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-19 08:38 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-19 09:43 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-19 09:57 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-19 10:06 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-19 10:17 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-19 10:01 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:10 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-18 16:15 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-19 08:31 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 12:10 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 13:54 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 13:35 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-14 13:32 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 15:39 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 15:47 -0600
                Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 18:11 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 08:13 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 09:43 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 19:21 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 12:45 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 21:58 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 22:03 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-16 23:13 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 14:16 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 14:34 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 23:41 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-16 23:11 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 12:00 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 13:24 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 22:41 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 14:12 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 23:28 +0100
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 15:05 -0800
                Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 15:09 -0800
              Re: Measuring time and light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 16:19 -0800
          Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:39 -0600
            Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 07:46 -0800
              Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 14:42 -0600
  Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-09 12:34 -0800
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  Re: Measuring time and light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-11 13:01 -0800
  Re: Measuring time and light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-11 13:05 -0800
  Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:38 -0600
    Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-11 13:46 -0800
      Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:30 -0600
        Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 06:46 -0800
          Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 08:56 -0600
  Re: Measuring time and light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-11 13:56 -0800
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  Re: Measuring time and light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-11 14:59 -0800
  Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 07:52 -0800
    Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-13 08:08 -0800
      Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 06:55 -0800
      Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 07:05 -0800
        Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 07:31 -0800
          Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 11:18 -0800
            Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 07:52 -0600
          Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 08:34 -0600
        Re: Measuring time and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 08:07 -0600
  Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-16 13:43 -0800
    Re: Measuring time and light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-02-16 14:17 -0800
      Re: Measuring time and light "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-16 15:32 -0800
        Re: Measuring time and light Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 16:16 -0800
          Re: Measuring time and light benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-16 20:00 -0500

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