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Re: Detecting time dilation

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Detecting time dilation
Date	2017-01-11 17:35 -0600
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On 1/11/2017 11:01 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 9:54:44 AM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 1/10/2017 12:02 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 4:33:34 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>
>>>> Definitions are determined by consensus. There is no arguing about
>>>> whether the English understanding of "pink" or "table" is wrong. If you
>>>> want to know what the definition of "pink" is, you look it up in a
>>>> dictionary and stop arguing about it. If you want to know the definition
>>>> of proper time as used by physicists, you look it up in a physics book
>>>> and stop arguing about it.
>>>
>>> What is wrong is SRT's time dilation definition. Why? Because time is not dilatable.
>>
>> That's a claim YOU make. It has nothing to do with the definition of
>> proper time, does it?
>
> Proper time is absolute time at the rest frame of the clock.

No it is not. That is not the definition of proper time. You have made 
this up and it is incorrect. You might as well come up with your own 
definition of "purple". If you want to know the definition of "purple", 
you look in a dictionary, you don't make up a definition you like 
better. If you want to know the definition of "proper time", you look in 
a physics book, you don't make up a definition you like better.

> a proper second at the rest frame of the clock represents a specific amount of
> absolute time. What this mean is that physicists rename absolute time as proper time.

No they have not. You need to look up the definition of proper time, 
rather that making your own up.

>
> The reason I brought up the time dilation is that absolute time is not dilatable.

Unsupported assertion.

> Each frame's clock second represents a different amount of absolute time. That's why
> we use the LT to determine the value of my proper second on a clock moving wrt me.
>
>>
>> Assertion is not argument. Saying that time is not dilatable is an
>> assertion you cannot support.
>>
>>> ....what we observed as time dilation is that the rate of a moving clock accumulating
>>> clock seconds at a slower rate and this is caused by the different arrival speeds of
>>> energy to affect a transition of the Cs 133 atom.
>>>>
>>>> Arguing about definitions is a waste of time.

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Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-22 00:39 -0800
  Re: Detecting time dilation Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 02:05 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-22 02:52 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-22 05:58 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:34 -0600
        Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-22 10:10 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-24 06:44 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-24 06:57 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-12-25 05:55 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-25 07:43 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-12-26 11:08 -0800
          utter cretin Jay Moseley insists "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-12-26 14:34 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-25 19:46 -0600
        Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 03:45 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-26 04:22 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 04:51 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-26 05:19 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 05:53 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-26 06:26 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 16:06 +0000
        Re: Detecting time dilation jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-12-26 11:12 -0800
  Re: Detecting time dilation Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 13:42 -0800
  Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-25 11:00 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-25 13:34 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-25 13:57 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-26 08:16 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 16:53 +0000
          Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-26 19:21 +0000
            Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 21:49 +0000
              Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-27 03:29 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 23:34 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-27 20:33 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-30 01:24 +0000
          Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 11:05 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-27 20:43 +0000
            Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-27 13:30 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 10:00 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 18:06 +0000
          Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 11:48 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-26 13:28 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 14:20 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 15:33 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 23:29 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-27 04:36 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 05:27 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-27 07:27 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-27 06:28 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-27 07:04 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-27 15:37 +0000
              Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 08:45 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-27 18:17 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 10:25 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-28 09:20 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-29 03:04 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-28 23:19 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-29 08:12 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-30 00:29 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-30 00:43 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-30 01:28 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-29 23:10 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-30 06:36 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-31 21:39 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-31 14:44 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 14:02 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-03 13:30 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 06:13 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 09:36 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 07:43 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 10:33 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 13:07 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 15:21 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 14:12 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 16:18 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 06:46 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:09 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 17:11 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 12:48 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 15:00 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 13:11 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 15:29 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 14:07 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 16:17 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 06:28 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 17:26 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 17:07 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-04 13:46 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 17:28 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-05 09:46 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 17:00 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 07:02 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:12 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 07:37 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Aubrey Primmer <myr@ejmr.info> - 2017-01-06 15:52 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 10:13 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 18:21 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 13:39 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-07 13:26 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-08 06:48 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 12:56 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-09 12:21 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 15:33 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-09 23:33 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-10 10:02 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-11 08:54 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-11 09:01 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-11 17:35 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-12 05:27 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 08:27 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-12 11:24 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 14:08 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-13 12:56 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 15:33 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-14 04:57 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-14 05:43 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 14:24 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-15 06:15 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 13:54 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-15 12:31 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Reid Schaffner <dnfoonio@acdnfni.info> - 2017-01-15 20:36 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 17:11 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-16 06:59 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-16 09:50 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-18 18:05 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-15 22:30 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-15 07:36 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-12 16:38 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-12 08:50 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-12 11:26 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-13 03:09 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-12 23:59 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-13 05:37 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-14 07:27 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-14 01:59 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-14 05:20 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-14 19:47 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-15 06:29 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-16 00:10 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-16 06:49 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-16 09:46 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-18 17:58 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-16 12:09 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-16 12:45 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-17 06:45 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-17 06:38 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 10:39 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-17 09:30 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-11 16:23 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-09 23:31 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-06 10:32 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Aubrey Primmer <myr@ejmr.info> - 2017-01-06 18:41 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-06 11:51 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-06 16:37 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 18:23 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-07 21:27 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-08 06:44 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-08 16:08 +0000
          Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 11:24 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 11:33 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 12:15 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 12:11 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 12:29 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-27 09:23 -0600
          Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-27 07:54 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 09:22 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-27 09:33 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 10:36 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-27 13:19 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 14:58 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-28 08:13 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 08:33 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-28 10:27 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-28 13:29 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-28 13:35 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-28 17:33 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-29 00:39 +0100
                Re: Detecting time dilation Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-29 01:23 +0100
                Re: Detecting time dilation RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-05 09:48 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-01-05 21:28 +0100
                Re: Detecting time dilation Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-28 17:27 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-28 15:42 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-29 07:50 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 13:58 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 06:10 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 09:39 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 07:54 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 10:36 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 13:02 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 15:05 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 13:13 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 15:30 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-04 14:14 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 16:24 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-05 06:30 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 10:11 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-06 07:00 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:11 -0600
                Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-05 17:36 +0000
                Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-28 23:13 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-27 13:48 -0800
                Re: Detecting time dilation "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-01-03 13:34 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 12:55 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-27 13:37 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 15:09 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 10:46 -0800
          Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 11:20 -0800
            Re: Detecting time dilation bartekltg@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 12:08 -0800
              Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 12:43 -0800
    Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-26 08:53 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-26 17:25 +0000
      Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 09:56 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-26 19:34 +0000
        Re: Detecting time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-26 14:23 -0800
      Re: Detecting time dilation Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-26 13:40 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-28 14:31 -0800
        Re: Detecting time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-05 06:16 -0800

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