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Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition?

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition?
Date 2017-01-06 15:06 -0600
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On 1/6/2017 2:33 PM, Eckard B wrote:
> Am Freitag, 6. Januar 2017 14:20:24 UTC+1 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>> On 1/5/2017 10:14 AM, Eckard B wrote:
>>> In FQXi contest of 2015 you may find an essay by Thomas Erwin Phipps, Jr.
>>> (born in 1925). Do you consider him a moron?
>>
>> No, he was not a moron at all. However, I think he had a rather weak
>> understanding of special relativity. Certainly he is considered part of
>> the fringe because of his views on relativity, both because of what he
>> said and how he said it. I think there is much in this essay that speaks
>> to that. A good example of where his understanding is weak is his claim
>> that time dilation leads to an immediate logical impossibility by
>> symmetry, whereas there is no logical impossibility whatsoever. This is
>> indeed a sophomore mistake in the understanding of relativity, and is a
>> key flag that indicates when an otherwise educated and talented
>> individual has missed some simple concepts.
>>
>> Likewise, if you read his essay and find inspiration in it and think
>> that what he says here is on point, then this also points to your rather
>> weak understanding of relativity as well. Just about anyone who would
>> read this essay would immediately recognize it.
>>
>
> In order to have a more comprehensive understanding of Phipp's opinion you
> should read several others of his publications.

I'm well aware of his work and have read several of his papers. This is 
where my assessment came from, and it remains unchanged.

> I was mainly interested in
> a historical fact he made me aware of: Maxwell's equation were slightly
> adapted to the (perhaps wrong) conclusions after Michelson's null-result.
>
> What about understanding Relativity, this reminds me of the textbook "Understanding
> the Infinite" by Shaughan Lavine, Cambridge/MA Harvard Univ. Press 1994. The
> more you read it as a critical reader, the less you understand infinity.
> Meanwhile, I revealed that it was Leibniz together with Bernoulli who is to
> blame. Leibniz distinguished three degrees of infinity:
> 1) Something that is larger than every quantity you can count
> 2) Something that is the largest of its kind
> 3) God
> The so called mathematical infinity belongs to 1). It is something relative and
> therefore something within the realm of finiteness.
>
> I see the problem with Relativity in the so far not understood usefulness of
> Lorentz formula. Relativity itself can easily be understood as unfounded.

Whether a theory is founded or not is based on one and only one thing: 
whether its predictions match observations. This is the sole metric for 
judging the value of a scientific theory. Since relativity does match 
observations exquisitely well, I repeat my question to you: on what 
basis do you say it is unfounded?

Please answer this question.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-01-04 09:46 -0800
          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 12:01 -0600
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                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-01-04 20:36 -0800
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                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-09 20:29 -0800
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            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-01 06:03 -0800
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          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-01 10:12 -0800
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              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-01 14:11 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-01 14:35 -0800
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                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-02 06:47 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-02 11:58 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-02 12:17 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-02 20:54 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-02 21:04 -0800
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                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-03 14:26 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-03 14:33 -0800
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                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 15:47 -0600
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-03 14:03 -0800
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    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-31 08:28 -0800
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