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Re: Dice: mechanical vs electrical

From bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c, comp.lang.clipper, comp.lang.ada, comp.programming, alt.comp.freeware, alt.conspiracy
Subject Re: Dice: mechanical vs electrical
Date 2016-12-12 20:17 +0100
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On 12.12.2016 15:51, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

>
> Maybe we should forget about true randomness from digital, electronic
> dice. Then stop calling them "random number", not even "digital random
> number"!!!!!  :)
>

There is a name for it. Pseudo-random numbers.

We still can talk about true random numbers. Random, that mean
there is no way to predict it. Hardware generators gives numbers
that is random, (unless you are a philosopher and believe in some
strange deterministic QM interpretation ;-)


If you do not believe in CPU's hardware generators, you can buy
a hardware generator that bases on quantum mechanics
(simpler, based on reflection of a photon, and more advance,
essential a laser but pumped by vacuum fluctuation).

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1411.4512v2.pdf
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.4438v1.pdf

You can download a short sample 1GB) of numbers generated that way.

http://qrng.anu.edu.au/

And we can't forgot about true randomness. OK, games
or even very serious monte carlo simulation works very well
without it, but cryptography _need_ an unpredictable random numbers.

bartekltg

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