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Re: Fake random numbers? Bad programmers?

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups alt.conspiracy, alt.comp.freeware, comp.programming, comp.lang.clipper, comp.lang.c, comp.lang.ada
Subject Re: Fake random numbers? Bad programmers?
Date 2016-12-12 01:44 +0100
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Am 11.12.2016 17:46, schrieb Mr. Man-wai Chang:

>> It is simple. If you cannot determine all those things - it is random.
>> Random is just a definition of some math evil priest.
>
> Your Honor:
>
> If the randomness was never truly random, why did they called it "random
> number" then?
>
> Did they all lie about their work, which was driving the *WHOLE* game
> industry. which then drive hardware sales? :)
>

Software cannot be really random, since a code is actually a set of 
instructions and those are carried out in non-random ways.

Random numbers require a physical process, which is unpredictable in 
nature.

For this purpose there are often noise creating diodes used. They are 
used in the 'wrong' direction and this causes internal 'noise' inside 
the semiconductor.

Now the noise could be filtered out and the result used to create random 
numbers.

Software can only create pseudo-random numbers.


TH

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