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Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad

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On 12/9/2016 00:03, HAA wrote:
> Mark Wills wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 7 December 2016 11:23:21 UTC, Julian Fondren  wrote:
>>> Youtube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM1iUe6IofM
>>>
>>> Probably not that interesting for us, but I did note that the feature
>>> he wants at the end, which he doesn't think any existing language has,
>>> is actually what quotations are. Non-Hugh quotations: he explicitly
>>> doesn't want any of the outer function's environment to seep through
>>> into the inner function, except by argument passing.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Julian
>>
>>> he explicitly
>>> doesn't want any of the outer function's environment to seep through
>>> into the inner function, except by argument passing.
>>
>> We had them in the 70s. They were called SUBROUTINES
>>
>> :-)
>
> Technically a "subroutine" is a reusable quantity.  To be able to be called by
> *any* function, explicit argument passing is necessary. The idea behind
> quotations is that being 'local', you can dispense with some of the requirements
> of subroutines.  If your parent has locals and your 'subroutine' is local, it stands
> to reason you should *not* have to go to the trouble and expense of explicitly
> passing arguments between them via the stack.

Since a quotation has an existence outside of its parent, that's a bit 
of a strawman argument (if you'll excuse the pun). The execution time of 
a quotation is not necessarily inside the parent's "frame" of execution.

> There seems to be this notion
> quotations are just nameless subroutines.  They don't have the capabilities of
> subroutines and never will.

What capabilities does a subroutine have that quotations don't?

-- 
Alex

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Object-Oriented Programming is Bad Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-12-07 03:23 -0800
  Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-07 09:06 -0800
    Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-09 11:03 +1100
      Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-09 00:17 +0000
        Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-10 10:14 +1100
          Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-09 19:54 -0800
            Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2016-12-10 06:44 +0000
              Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 00:37 -0800
              Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2016-12-11 06:39 -0800
          Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-12-10 03:38 -0600
            Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad november.nihal@gmail.com - 2016-12-11 08:57 -0800
              Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-11 10:19 -0800
              Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-12-11 13:25 -0800
                Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-11 17:39 -0800
                Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad november.nihal@gmail.com - 2016-12-11 17:49 -0800
                Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-11 20:31 -0800
                Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad november.nihal@gmail.com - 2016-12-12 07:01 -0800
                Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-12-11 21:50 -0800
    Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2016-12-11 06:20 -0800
  Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-12-07 09:26 -0800
  Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-12-07 11:44 -0600
    Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-12-08 09:58 +0000
      Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-12-21 21:18 +0000
        Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad gavinschuette@gmail.com - 2016-12-21 23:00 -0800
  Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2016-12-21 09:41 -0800
  Re: Object-Oriented Programming is Bad gavinschuette@gmail.com - 2016-12-21 23:00 -0800

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