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Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity
Date	2016-12-08 11:11 -0600
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On 12/6/2016 6:37 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 3:29:55 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 12/6/2016 2:14 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 11:27:26 AM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 12/6/2016 7:50 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 4:18:00 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/5/2016 3:06 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 1:14:32 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/5/2016 12:05 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This is an assertion......in SR every observer considers himself to be inertial.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is clear that you don't know what SR says. You say the silliest
>>>>>>>> things about what SR says.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moron if he didn't consider himself to be inertial then he is not an SR observer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to whom? You?
>>>>>> It's not what SR says.
>>>>>
>>>>> According to Tom Roberts:
>>>>>         Remember that SR's "time dilation" requires a VERY SPECIFIC way
>>>>>         of measuring the rate of the moving clock: an inertial observer
>>>>>         must use two synchronized clocks to measure its rate.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's a statement about measuring time dilation. This does not
>>>> mean that EVERY OBSERVER in SR considers himself to be an inertial
>>>> observer. What it does say is that in order to make a SPECIFIC KIND OF
>>>> MEASUREMENT, then there are constraints on that observer.
>>>
>>> Idiot....This is a bunch of word salad.
>>
>> If you would like to learn what these statements mean, I can suggest a book.
>
> Idiot.....SR does not measuring anything.....SR uses the LT to predict.

Bullshit. SR is a theory like all theories. It is tested by MEASUREMENT.

>
>>
>>> ....SPECIAL KIND OF MEAUSREMENT INDEED but no such measurement ever been performed.
>>
>> Bullshit. Your ignorance of the results that have actually been acquired
>> in experiment is your own problem.
>
> According to Tom's procedure for measuring time dilation: the inertial observer have
> two synched clocks in his frame and record the time when the moving clock pass these
> synched clocks.....such procedure never been performed.

Bullshit. As I said before, your ignorance of documented experimental 
results is YOUR problem to fix.

> In fact it is impossible to
> do so. In the end SR uses the LT to predict the rate of a moving clock.
> So you see all your baloney about measuring the rate of a moving clock is just a
> bunch of shit.
>>
>>> The SR postulates demand an inertial observer to use the SR math.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> You SR experts are continually disagree with each other.....each of you have a
>>> different interpretation of what SR says, no wonder that after a 100 years of
>>> explanation you still failed to give a valid explanation of SR. All you ever
>>> do is to scold anybody who disagrees with your version of SR.
>>
>> There are no "versions" of SR.
>
> Sure there are between you SR fanatics.....eg you and Tom disagree that an
> inertial observer is needed to measure the rate of a moving clock.

Tom didn't say that either. He was talking about the SPECIFIC 
MEASUREMENT of mutual time dilation, not of any circumstance when you 
are measuring the rate of a moving clock.

Ken, since you cannot read what people actually write, why do you post 
to the group?

>
>> There is only one "version" of SR and you
>> do not know what it is.
>
> Neither do you.......that's why you keep on telling everybody to read a book.
>
>> Neither do youWhat you are complaining about is that you get
>> confused by how people on sci.physics.relativity explain SR to you.
>
> You don't ever explaining anything. Tom does explain his version of SR and
> I take his word for it.

Ken, all you've ever learned about SR is what you've heard on this 
newsgroup. It's NO WONDER you are so confused. This is not a place to 
learn SR.

>
>> You
>> want there to be people on here that can explain it consistently and
>> simply to you in terms you understand. But THIS GROUP IS NOT THE PLACE
>> to get that. Where you need to get that information is from books or a
>> class. You don't want to go to books or take a class. Since you don't
>> want to get this information from the ONLY RELIABLE PLACES you can get
>> it, you're stuck, screwed, hopelessly lost, done for.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's interesting that what you know about SR seems to be purely a
>>>> distillation of what you've heard Tom Roberts say, and not any reference
>>>> book you've read on the subject. Are you telling me that everything you
>>>> know about relativity, you've learned on sci.physics.relativity????
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Face it, you don't know what SR says.
>>>>>
>>>>> ROTFLOL......pot kettle black.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


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Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-11-28 01:13 -0800
  Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-11-29 12:44 +1100
    Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-11-29 00:41 -0800
      Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-11-29 03:05 -0800
      Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-01 12:13 +1100
  Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-05 15:00 +0100
    Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-05 07:35 -0800
      Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-05 10:18 -0600
        Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-05 10:05 -0800
          Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 12:14 -0600
            Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-05 13:06 -0800
              Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 15:18 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-06 05:50 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 10:27 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-06 12:14 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 14:29 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-06 16:37 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-06 19:37 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-08 11:11 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-08 13:29 -0800
              Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 15:28 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-06 05:57 -0800
          Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Chantell Dillingham <intlii@dtilnignii.org> - 2016-12-05 18:19 +0000
        Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-05 23:33 -0800
        Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-06 00:00 -0800
          Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-07 18:54 -0600
            Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-07 17:06 -0800
            Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-08 03:07 -0800
              Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-08 09:10 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-09 02:51 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-12-09 13:39 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-10 00:54 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 00:22 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-12 02:05 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-12-15 17:17 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-16 00:22 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-09 03:34 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-12 12:42 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-13 00:16 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-16 08:04 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-19 19:03 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Darron Borton <ororrt@orrtnorr.info> - 2016-12-20 03:29 +0000
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-20 00:56 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-22 10:48 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-22 10:52 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 14:22 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-22 23:10 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-12-23 07:06 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-23 01:35 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-12-23 08:59 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-23 10:17 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 05:19 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 09:24 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-27 09:39 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-24 09:41 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-24 07:50 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-25 04:06 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-13 06:31 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-13 11:18 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-14 10:37 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-14 08:55 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-14 12:53 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-15 10:55 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-15 09:50 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-15 10:13 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-15 13:20 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-15 14:04 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-16 00:35 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-16 05:50 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-16 06:10 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-12-16 07:13 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-16 07:21 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-15 10:32 -0800
                The mummy of Ken Shito speaks from beyond the grave "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-12-15 10:36 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-15 20:02 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-16 06:29 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-13 06:54 -0800
              Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-12-08 08:11 -0800
            Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-09 02:43 -0800
              Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-12-09 13:37 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-10 00:56 -0800
        Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-08 10:16 -0800
          Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-08 23:09 -0600
          Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-09 13:16 +0100
      Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-06 14:58 +0100
        Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-06 06:02 -0800
        Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-06 10:51 -0800
          Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-06 22:55 +0100
            Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-07 01:25 -0800
              Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-07 11:06 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-07 04:29 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-08 15:45 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-08 11:12 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-09 13:43 +0100
            Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-07 13:47 +0100
              Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Chantell Dillingham <intlii@dtilnignii.org> - 2016-12-07 13:19 +0000
              Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-08 15:41 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-09 23:48 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-11 02:12 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-11 05:37 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-11 09:39 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-11 22:31 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-11 23:16 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-12 03:04 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-12 14:29 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-12 07:52 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-13 19:26 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-13 10:57 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-13 22:53 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-13 23:56 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-14 10:23 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-14 01:49 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-12 18:37 +0100

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