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Re: absence of max

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: absence of max
Date 2016-11-27 20:52 +0100
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On 27/11/16 19:02, BartC wrote:
> On 27/11/2016 16:35, David Brown wrote:
>> On 27/11/16 01:21, BartC wrote:
>
>>> So 14 functions so far, and you haven't yet looked at in-place versions.
>>
>> And that is why there is no "max" standard function in C.
>
> Huh? That is the very reason why it ought to be built-in and benefiting
> from overloading.

Standard C library functions don't support overloading.  Only operators 
support overloading.  (And with C11 generics, you can make a kind of 
overloading via macros.)

>
>>> If you try and do it with macros, then you have to think about problems
>>> like MAX(a[++i],b). Plus all the usual issues you get when you leave
>>> things like this to the creativity of millions of individual
>>> programmers.
>>>
>>> There are benefits to having even apparently trivial features like this
>>> supported by the language.
>>
>> In C, this would have to be implemented as an operator, not a function,
>> in order to work on a range of types.
>
> Yes, but it can be a operator with function-like syntax. I can write in
> my language any of:
>
>   a:=max(b,c)
>   a:=b max c
>   a max:=b
>
> which translates to this C:
>
>      a = (b>c?b:c);
>      a = (b>c?b:c);
>      a = (a>b?a:b);

That's fine - in /your/ language.  There are many languages where 
operators and functions are basically the same thing, just with a bit of 
syntactic sugar.  C is not one of those languages.  And we were 
discussing C, were we not?

>
> (When a,b,c are simple; more complex terms generate more fiddly code
> than may call built-in functions. The important thing however is that
> that isn't a concern of the guy writing the above code using 'max'. The
> best implementation is left to the language.)
>
>> gcc used to have an extension "a <? b" and "a >? b" as the minimum and
>> maximum operators - precisely because making an operator was the only
>> way to achieve the effect for different types while being safe from the
>> "evaluate twice" problem.  But these operators have long since been
>> removed from gcc, for a variety of reasons:
>>
>> 1. They were rarely used.  It makes little sense to maintain such an
>> extension unless people actually find it useful.
>>
>> 2. It was non-portable.  If you are happy with gcc extensions, then
>> there are perfectly good ways to achieve the effect using other gcc
>> extensions that /are/ useful in a number of contexts:
>>
>> #define max(a,b) \
>>        ({ typeof (a) _a = (a); \
>>            typeof (b) _b = (b); \
>>          _a > _b ? _a : _b; })
>>
>> 3. It is not needed in C++, which has templates (and therefore very
>> simple std::max and std::min functions).  So it is only relevant for C,
>> not C++.
>>
>> 4. It takes only 14 seconds to write your own custom function or inline
>> code when you need a "max".  That is less time than it takes to look up
>> the gcc manual to learn about the extra operator.
>>
>> So in the end, there is not much need of a "max" in the language.
>
> It also takes less than 14 seconds, or not much more, to:
>
> * Write a=a+1 instead of ++a
> * Write a+=1 instead of ++a
> * Write !(a==b) instead of a!=b
> * Write b<a instead of a>b
> * Write (*P).m instead of P->m
> * Write a strlen() or strcpy() function
> * Write an abs() function
>
> etc.
>
> But these features presumably exist for a reason.

Yes, there are two key reasons.  One is that it makes compilers simpler 
(which was very relevant in the past), allowing compilers to translate 
"a = a + b" into "add a, b" and "a++" into "inc a".  The other is that 
these sorts of features are used a great deal, so it is very convenient 
to have them on hand.  This is much less the case for "max" and "min", 
which rarely have direct assembly implementations, and which are not 
used nearly as often in user code.  (The fact that they rarely exist as 
assembly instructions is a good indication of this.)

>
> Your reasons are just the usual excuses that try and justify why some
> obvious feature isn't in C. Of course if it /was/ in, then it would be
> indispensable!

/I/ did not specify the C language, write the standards, or implement 
compilers.  I am not justifying anything here - I have no need to do so. 
  The question was asked why there is no "max" or "min" function in the 
C standard library, so I have given some explanations for why they are 
not there.  It would not bother me if they /were/ there, and I might 
have occasional use for them in my code if they were standardised.  But 
I don't feel bothered by their lack.  Some people, of course, /would/ 
object to them being added - either because they don't want the language 
to grow, or because they don't want conflicts with their own use of 
those identifiers (it is /really/ hard to add new features to C without 
annoying someone!).  Oh, and there are lots of features of C that I 
could happily live without, and lots more that I would change if I 
could.  But in most cases I can understand why the feature exists, even 
if I don't personally want it.

>
> And FWIW I use min and max a lot. (There is also 'clamp', a related
> feature, although that is used less often: y = clamp(x,lower,upper).)
>

And in C++, where it is much easier to add new features to the standard 
library than C, "clamp" has been added to C++17 to join "min" and "max". 
  But then, C++ has templates making the implementation trivial and thus 
giving a different balance of pros and cons.

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                Re: absence of max cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-12-10 04:44 +0000
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                Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-17 11:27 -0800
                People who confuse and jumble up the difference between past, present, and future (Was: absence of max) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-12-17 20:07 +0000
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 07:52 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-13 13:38 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-14 08:17 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-14 16:53 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-15 08:54 -0800
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                Re: absence of max raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2016-12-20 09:03 +0000
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                Re: absence of max Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-14 22:46 -0800
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