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Re: absence of max

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: absence of max
Date 2016-11-27 17:35 +0100
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On 27/11/16 01:21, BartC wrote:
> On 26/11/2016 23:34, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> It takes 14 seconds to write your own custom max() function, one
>> capable of
>> handling your unique data/app's needs.
>>
>> That's probably why.
>
> It takes 14 seconds in Python as well, yet it's a built-in function.
>
> While, the way I implement it, I can also write:
>
>   x max:= y       # x := max(x,y)
>
> In C, you'd have to write different versions for signed, unsigned,
> double and pointers (8 functions). If you don't want to always use
> 64-bit arithmetic, you might want 32-bit versions; that's another 6
> functions.
>
> So 14 functions so far, and you haven't yet looked at in-place versions.

And that is why there is no "max" standard function in C.

>
> If you try and do it with macros, then you have to think about problems
> like MAX(a[++i],b). Plus all the usual issues you get when you leave
> things like this to the creativity of millions of individual programmers.
>
> There are benefits to having even apparently trivial features like this
> supported by the language.
>

In C, this would have to be implemented as an operator, not a function, 
in order to work on a range of types.  It can't be a macro, even a C11 
generic macro, without additional language support to avoid the usual 
"evaluate the argument twice" problem.

gcc used to have an extension "a <? b" and "a >? b" as the minimum and 
maximum operators - precisely because making an operator was the only 
way to achieve the effect for different types while being safe from the 
"evaluate twice" problem.  But these operators have long since been 
removed from gcc, for a variety of reasons:

1. They were rarely used.  It makes little sense to maintain such an 
extension unless people actually find it useful.

2. It was non-portable.  If you are happy with gcc extensions, then 
there are perfectly good ways to achieve the effect using other gcc 
extensions that /are/ useful in a number of contexts:

#define max(a,b) \
        ({ typeof (a) _a = (a); \
            typeof (b) _b = (b); \
          _a > _b ? _a : _b; })

3. It is not needed in C++, which has templates (and therefore very 
simple std::max and std::min functions).  So it is only relevant for C, 
not C++.

4. It takes only 14 seconds to write your own custom function or inline 
code when you need a "max".  That is less time than it takes to look up 
the gcc manual to learn about the extra operator.

So in the end, there is not much need of a "max" in the language.

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                People who confuse and jumble up the difference between past, present, and future (Was: absence of max) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-12-17 20:07 +0000
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                Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-12 23:18 +0000
                Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-16 16:05 -0500
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                Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-16 22:40 -0500
                Re: absence of max Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@arumes.com> - 2016-12-12 18:20 +0100
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