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Re: h the Planck message in a bottle

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: h the Planck message in a bottle
Date 2016-11-26 12:26 +0000
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Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> writes:

>Dne 25/11/2016 v 22:53 Albert2 napsal(a):
>> 
>> Without losing any physics hbar can be taken to equal one, that is 1.
>> It is likely that hbar will be given a defined value next year,
>> just like c.
>> In tat case the standard kilogram will lose its status as a primary unit.
>> 
>More precisely,
>the standard kilogram etalon will loose its status,
>while the kilogram as the unit of mass
>within the SI system of primary quantities will not.

>There are implicitly included 3 different things here.

>1/ Using various arbitrary and natural unit systems.
>2/ Choosing primary quantities within given unit system.
>3/ Definition of primary quantity unit etalons within given unit system.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_units#Systems_of_natural_units

>Natural unit systems are not used out of science.
>Even within science,
>they are used only if equation simplification gain
>is bigger than switching unit system cost,
>what usually does not happen out of physics.

>E.g. chemistry and material sciences
>have huge SI or CGS or imperial unit based experimental data,
>while using natural unit equations does not give them advantage.

>Defining hbar by a precise measurement
>affects importance of the standard kilogram etalon ( desired ),
>but not the importance of the kilogram primary unit of SI unit system,
>nor of the SI system itself.

>It just defines the kilogram unit more precisely,
>similarly as was the metre
>( PtIr rod > Fr wavelength > 1s + vacuum light speed ).

I always wondered why they simply didn't define Avagadro's Number as being
exactly some value, so then by definition, 12 grams is Avagadro's Number
of C-12 atoms (exactly) and a kilogram is 1000/12 times Avagadro's Number
of C-12 atoms (exactly).

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h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 07:11 -0700
  Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-04 13:38 +0100
    Re: h the Planck message in a bottle mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-04 05:53 -0700
      Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-04 15:33 +0100
        Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-04 16:15 +0100
          Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-04 12:53 -0500
            Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-04 11:20 -0700
            Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-04 19:25 +0100
            Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 18:47 -0800
              Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-13 23:28 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 08:44 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 22:22 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-16 07:36 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-17 07:23 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 02:50 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-17 09:11 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Edwin Grünner <edwgr@menckensite.org> - 2016-11-17 22:03 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 19:25 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-17 19:39 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-17 22:22 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Hank Barco <hankbarco@hankbarco.org> - 2016-11-18 21:35 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 15:58 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Hank Barco <hankbarco@hankbarco.org> - 2016-11-18 22:04 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 23:06 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-19 11:25 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-19 08:59 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-20 00:19 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 10:27 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-20 22:37 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 16:55 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-21 05:26 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 00:23 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-21 09:20 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 03:08 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-21 13:09 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 12:17 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 07:40 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 23:56 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 09:07 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 00:48 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 11:09 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 03:13 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 12:45 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Maryann Tonn <libradaz@libradazert.info> - 2016-11-21 12:16 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 13:29 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Maryann Tonn <libradaz@libradazert.info> - 2016-11-21 12:44 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 11:34 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 22:15 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 14:27 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Shayne Crownover <vrrrnveeaeoowSy@vrrrnveeae.owSy.vrr> - 2016-11-26 22:33 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 23:54 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 17:44 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-19 19:14 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-21 11:35 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Maryann Tonn <libradaz@libradazert.info> - 2016-11-21 19:18 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-22 09:39 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-17 00:22 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-17 09:57 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 10:02 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-18 04:05 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 07:36 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-18 05:56 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-18 18:49 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-18 00:02 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 07:40 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-21 00:53 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 08:14 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-22 02:06 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-22 02:27 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-22 12:08 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-23 06:13 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-24 05:54 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-24 07:01 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-24 20:01 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 11:10 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Lauretta Nagle <uattea@aeuatte.au> - 2016-12-17 18:24 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-12-18 08:11 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-18 09:07 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 09:41 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-26 07:59 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-27 04:50 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 08:30 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-18 00:15 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 21:50 +0100
            Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-25 22:53 +0100
              Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 08:10 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 08:14 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-26 12:26 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 22:07 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-28 11:32 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 17:43 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 17:50 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 20:06 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 19:11 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 21:52 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 21:01 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 22:20 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-28 13:02 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 20:01 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 19:06 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 21:50 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 21:01 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 22:18 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 22:26 +0000
        Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-11-04 17:35 +0100
          Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-04 21:36 +0100
            Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-11-04 22:03 +0100
              Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-07 22:33 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-07 22:58 -0800
      Re: h the Planck message in a bottle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-04 14:41 +0000
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  Re: h the Planck message in a bottle numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-19 14:47 -0800
    Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-19 15:11 -0800
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