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Re: h the Planck message in a bottle

From Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: h the Planck message in a bottle
Date 2016-11-26 08:10 +0100
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Dne 25/11/2016 v 22:53 Albert2 napsal(a):
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> Without losing any physics hbar can be taken to equal one, that is 1.
> It is likely that hbar will be given a defined value next year,
> just like c.
> In tat case the standard kilogram will lose its status as a primary unit.
> 
More precisely,
the standard kilogram etalon will loose its status,
while the kilogram as the unit of mass
within the SI system of primary quantities will not.

There are implicitly included 3 different things here.

1/ Using various arbitrary and natural unit systems.
2/ Choosing primary quantities within given unit system.
3/ Definition of primary quantity unit etalons within given unit system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_units#Systems_of_natural_units

Natural unit systems are not used out of science.
Even within science,
they are used only if equation simplification gain
is bigger than switching unit system cost,
what usually does not happen out of physics.

E.g. chemistry and material sciences
have huge SI or CGS or imperial unit based experimental data,
while using natural unit equations does not give them advantage.

Defining hbar by a precise measurement
affects importance of the standard kilogram etalon ( desired ),
but not the importance of the kilogram primary unit of SI unit system,
nor of the SI system itself.

It just defines the kilogram unit more precisely,
similarly as was the metre
( PtIr rod > Fr wavelength > 1s + vacuum light speed ).



-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )

A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.

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h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 07:11 -0700
  Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-04 13:38 +0100
    Re: h the Planck message in a bottle mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-04 05:53 -0700
      Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Albert2 <Alber@2.invalid> - 2016-11-04 15:33 +0100
        Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-04 16:15 +0100
          Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-04 12:53 -0500
            Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-04 11:20 -0700
            Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-04 19:25 +0100
            Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 18:47 -0800
              Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-13 23:28 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 08:44 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 22:22 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-16 07:36 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-17 07:23 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 02:50 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-17 09:11 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Edwin Grünner <edwgr@menckensite.org> - 2016-11-17 22:03 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 19:25 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-17 19:39 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-17 22:22 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Hank Barco <hankbarco@hankbarco.org> - 2016-11-18 21:35 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 15:58 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Hank Barco <hankbarco@hankbarco.org> - 2016-11-18 22:04 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 23:06 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-19 11:25 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-19 08:59 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-20 00:19 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 10:27 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-20 22:37 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 16:55 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-21 05:26 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 00:23 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-21 09:20 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 03:08 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-21 13:09 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 12:17 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 07:40 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 23:56 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 09:07 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 00:48 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 11:09 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 03:13 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 12:45 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Maryann Tonn <libradaz@libradazert.info> - 2016-11-21 12:16 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 13:29 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Maryann Tonn <libradaz@libradazert.info> - 2016-11-21 12:44 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 11:34 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 22:15 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 14:27 -0800
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 23:54 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 17:44 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-19 19:14 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-21 11:35 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Maryann Tonn <libradaz@libradazert.info> - 2016-11-21 19:18 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-22 09:39 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-17 00:22 -0800
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 10:02 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-18 04:05 +0000
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-18 18:49 +0000
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-22 12:08 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-23 06:13 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-24 05:54 +0000
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-11-24 20:01 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 11:10 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Lauretta Nagle <uattea@aeuatte.au> - 2016-12-17 18:24 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-12-18 08:11 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-18 09:07 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 09:41 -0600
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-26 07:59 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-11-27 04:50 -0800
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 21:50 +0100
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              Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 08:10 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 08:14 +0100
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 22:07 +0100
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 20:06 +0100
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                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 21:01 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 22:20 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-28 13:02 -0800
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 20:01 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 19:06 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 21:50 +0100
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Reggie Sippel <SippieoRRpSg@Sippie.RRpSg.Sip> - 2016-11-28 21:01 +0000
                Re: h the Planck message in a bottle Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 22:18 +0100
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